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« Reply #450 on: September 28, 2018, 11:07:46 AM »

If Kavanaugh is confirmed, with it looks like he will, we will be on to another crazy news story topic by the time the midterms come around and everyone (especially Republicans who may be upset now) will have forgotten about this by then.
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« Reply #451 on: September 28, 2018, 11:09:05 AM »

The Donelly vote could drive some GOP voters to the polls. This definitely doesn't help him. While the hurt will be minimal, minimal matters in a tossup race.
Judging by the Blue Avatars here, I find that to be the case.
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« Reply #452 on: September 28, 2018, 11:09:41 AM »

The Donelly vote could drive some GOP voters to the polls. This definitely doesn't help him. While the hurt will be minimal, minimal matters in a tossup race.

So has Donnelly already confirmed that he will vote against Kavanaugh?
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« Reply #453 on: September 28, 2018, 11:12:23 AM »

If Kavanaugh is confirmed, with it looks like he will, we will be on to another crazy news story topic by the time the midterms come around and everyone (especially Republicans who may be upset now) will have forgotten about this by then.

Even if he isn't, everyone will forget about it because American voters have incredibly short memories and Trump would likely just nominate someone else with less controversy.
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« Reply #454 on: September 28, 2018, 11:12:45 AM »

The Donelly vote could drive some GOP voters to the polls. This definitely doesn't help him. While the hurt will be minimal, minimal matters in a tossup race.

So has Donnelly already confirmed that he will vote against Kavanaugh?
He said he's a NAY until there's further FBI investigations into the allegations.  He said based on what's going on now, he couldn't vote for him.
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« Reply #455 on: September 28, 2018, 11:20:24 AM »

I think this a good vote from Donnelly's point of view.  He isn't going to forget that the constituency/voting bloc that put him into power was voters who were uncomfortable with Murdock's comment on rape.  Those voters, even if plenty of them are leaning Republican, will be comfortable with Donnelly's statement regarding sexual assault.  They put partisanship aside and voted for a Democrat in the face of rape comments; that same Democrat then went on and said that we shouldn't confirm someone to the court who has sexual assault allegations against them.

So yeah, if anything this gives lean Republicans who voted for Donnelly a "I made the right choice" moment and gives them more comfort in voting for Donnelly a second time if they were considering drifting back into their natural Republican column.
Yeah, the same people that voted for DJT after Access Hollywood. Things have changed since 2012, and we need to accept the new reality.
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« Reply #456 on: September 28, 2018, 11:29:31 AM »

Nelson & Donnelly as far as we know will vote NO.
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« Reply #457 on: September 28, 2018, 11:39:33 AM »

Tilt D—-> Tilt R.

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« Reply #458 on: September 28, 2018, 11:47:21 AM »

Nelson & Donnelly as far as we know will vote NO.

And Tester too.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/government-and-politics/montana-sen-jon-tester-will-vote-against-kavanaugh-confirmation/article_fc3364f3-001b-5b3d-a56d-2e2894b3f409.html
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« Reply #459 on: September 28, 2018, 11:48:22 AM »
« Edited: September 28, 2018, 11:51:43 AM by ON Progressive »


That's not surprising. Tester is the most liberal of the red state Democrats. Also, did anyone seriously think anyone who voted against Gorscuh was going to vote for Kavanaugh?
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« Reply #460 on: September 28, 2018, 11:50:02 AM »


Tester was always going to vote NO, even before the allegations, lol.
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« Reply #461 on: September 28, 2018, 11:52:11 AM »

Donnelly's decision probably isn't going to change any votes. Tilt D -> Tilt D.
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« Reply #462 on: September 28, 2018, 11:57:39 AM »

Donnelly's decision probably isn't going to change any votes. Tilt D -> Tilt D.

Maybe not, but it’s all about base turnout.
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« Reply #463 on: September 28, 2018, 12:04:45 PM »

Donnelly's decision probably isn't going to change any votes. Tilt D -> Tilt D.

Maybe not, but it’s all about base turnout.
You are right, MT, Joe has secured D turnout and has even won a couple R moderates over.

tossup -> Lean D (no tilts!)
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« Reply #464 on: September 28, 2018, 12:09:26 PM »

Donnelly's decision probably isn't going to change any votes. Tilt D -> Tilt D.

Maybe not, but it’s all about base turnout.
You are right, MT, Joe has secured D turnout and has even won a couple R moderates over.

tossup -> Lean D (no tilts!)

Absolutely wrong. The Kavernaugh Vote at least what Republicans are concerned is all about the BASE. Republicans lacking intensity & enthusiasm all year long so the Senate is giving something to cheer for especially Trump Voters.
Kavernaugh getting through will IMO most likely safe the Senate for the GOP.
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« Reply #465 on: September 28, 2018, 12:13:41 PM »

Donnelly's decision probably isn't going to change any votes. Tilt D -> Tilt D.

Maybe not, but it’s all about base turnout.
You are right, MT, Joe has secured D turnout and has even won a couple R moderates over.

tossup -> Lean D (no tilts!)

Absolutely wrong. The Kavernaugh Vote at least what Republicans are concerned is all about the BASE. Republicans lacking intensity & enthusiasm all year long so the Senate is giving something to cheer for especially Trump Voters.
Kavernaugh getting through will IMO most likely safe the Senate for the GOP.

http://www.people-press.org/2018/09/26/voter-enthusiasm-at-record-high-in-nationalized-midterm-environment/

The Republican Party is already at maximum enthusiasm, there is little to do to get more backers. As was mentioned, Donnelly voted for the same base that put him in, a coalition of strong Ds and R suburbanites. This was a rather smart move by Donnelly.

And, as I have mentioned before, we have polling showing Donnelly doing worse if he voted FOR K.
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« Reply #466 on: September 28, 2018, 12:23:21 PM »

Donnelly's decision probably isn't going to change any votes. Tilt D -> Tilt D.

Maybe not, but it’s all about base turnout.

And that works both ways, which is why I don't think it changes this race.
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« Reply #467 on: September 28, 2018, 01:33:37 PM »

Let's not forget Indiana is a state where the Dem base is important, and not giving them any reason at all to stay home is a good idea for Donnelly. Tossup -> Tossup.
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« Reply #468 on: September 28, 2018, 01:51:44 PM »

People acting like this vote matters at all. Anybody who cares that strongly about Kavernaugh's nomination is already gonna be turning out and voting for the Republican. The only people who care about this issue are strong partisans and maybe some moderate/educated women.
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« Reply #469 on: September 28, 2018, 05:45:57 PM »

Write in Stutzman
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« Reply #470 on: September 28, 2018, 05:53:04 PM »

Write-in votes aren't allowed here.
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« Reply #471 on: September 28, 2018, 05:53:12 PM »


Joe Donnelly approves of this message.
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« Reply #472 on: September 28, 2018, 06:31:41 PM »

People acting like this vote matters at all. Anybody who cares that strongly about Kavernaugh's nomination is already gonna be turning out and voting for the Republican. The only people who care about this issue are strong partisans and maybe some moderate/educated women.

Yeah that's why Kavanaugh's numbers are slipping. Because we know only women care about sexual assault.
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« Reply #473 on: September 28, 2018, 06:52:15 PM »


I know. I’m a Hoosier too. The L-NC is still up because I’m thinking of my friends down there who have been dealing with the aftermath of Florence. I still would rather have Stutzman than Braun or Silent Joe hence my expression.
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« Reply #474 on: September 28, 2018, 06:53:29 PM »


I know. I’m a Hoosier too. The L-NC is still up because I’m thinking of my friends down there who have been dealing with the aftermath of Florence. I still would rather have Stutzman than Braun or Silent Joe hence my expression.
I'm voting for Joe solely due to dissatisfaction with Trump, not to mention Boring Braun hasn't given me a reason to vote for him.
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