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« on: March 04, 2017, 08:43:36 AM »
« edited: March 31, 2017, 04:57:19 PM by We're never gonna have it so good! »

Very serious if proven true.
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2017, 08:46:23 AM »

unhinged.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2017, 08:49:21 AM »

More fake news from Trump -what else is new?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2017, 08:54:17 AM »

Are you actually dumb enough to not realise that this if this were true it'd be extremely damning for Comrade Trump
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2017, 08:59:19 AM »

Can't wait to see Spicer and Conway try to explain this today.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2017, 08:59:34 AM »

Are you actually dumb enough to not realise that this if this were true it'd be extremely damning for Comrade Trump
You don't find a presidential candidate being bugged by the President in the name of "national security" and the CIA a little familiar? You haven't heard this story before?
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2017, 09:05:09 AM »

How would he know?
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2017, 09:06:02 AM »

Are you actually dumb enough to not realise that this if this were true it'd be extremely damning for Comrade Trump
You don't find a presidential candidate being bugged by the President in the name of "national security" and the CIA a little familiar? You haven't heard this story before?

Evidence?
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2017, 09:08:28 AM »

Are you actually dumb enough to not realise that this if this were true it'd be extremely damning for Comrade Trump
You don't find a presidential candidate being bugged by the President in the name of "national security" and the CIA a little familiar? You haven't heard this story before?

1. Do you have evidence that Obama did any such thing? So far this looks like the rantings of a very paranoid and insecure man.

2. If someone did have Trump Tower wiretapped, then context is pretty darn important. Sure, if it somehow turned out that Obama hired burglars to break into Trump Tower and bug the place, then that's a very serious crime and people should face charges. If, on the other hand, the FBI had probable cause that someone working in Trump Tower was engaging in criminal activity and obtained a warrant to have a phone wire-tapped, that'd be a whole other story ...
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2017, 09:17:14 AM »

Told you he does enough to smear himself. I'm waiting for those 15 times I was thoroughly disproven while you post this BS.

Trump is desperate. First, Obama organized protests (or was it Soros?), and now he wire-tapped Trump tower? Please.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2017, 09:17:33 AM »

So Sanchez what are your thoughts on the best response to the Bowling Green Massacre and the recent terrorist attack in Sweden.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2017, 09:18:15 AM »

Are you actually dumb enough to not realise that this if this were true it'd be extremely damning for Comrade Trump
You don't find a presidential candidate being bugged by the President in the name of "national security" and the CIA a little familiar? You haven't heard this story before?

1. Do you have evidence that Obama did any such thing? So far this looks like the rantings of a very paranoid and insecure man.

2. If someone did have Trump Tower wiretapped, then context is pretty darn important. Sure, if it somehow turned out that Obama hired burglars to break into Trump Tower and bug the place, then that's a very serious crime and people should face charges. If, on the other hand, the FBI had probable cause that someone working in Trump Tower was engaging in criminal activity and obtained a warrant to have a phone wire-tapped, that'd be a whole other story ...
Why would he reveal this if he's up to something illegal? You all keep underestimating his intelligence and wonder why he's where he is today as opposed to that bitch. If Trump's personal phone was tapped, then you're gonna have a hard time telling me that the FBI suddenly can be trusted.
What has Trump "revealed" exactly? Evidence? Sources?
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2017, 09:23:04 AM »

I knew Trump was a sociopathic narcissist -I didn't know until after his inauguration that he apparently also has paranoid schizophrenia.  That is if he really believes this sh**t.   
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2017, 09:24:11 AM »



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/04/trump-accuses-obama-of-nixonwatergate-plot-to-wire-tap-trump-tower/?utm_term=.a7a15911e1b3
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2017, 09:25:11 AM »

Oakvale already summed up my thoughts pretty well, but I should probably add a few things:

A few things:

1) Given that Trump claims (who knows if it's true) that the court (presumably the FISA Court) ruled against an earlier attempt to do this, it sounds like new information came to light that led the FISA court (and presumably the FBI) to consider something Trump was doing such a serious potential threat to national security that they approved warrantless wiretaps for a Presidential candidate in October during a Presidential election year.  The fact that Trump doesn't see the implications of this and is tweeting about it means either A) he's simply making this up (always possible with him) or B) this is the clearest proof yet that we have a "My client may look like an idiot, he may talk like an idiot, and he may even act like an idiot, but don't let that fool you; he really is an idiot" situation with Trump.  Either way, this is a dumb lie to tell if it isn't true and if it is then it's a f***ing disaster for Trump.  

2) If this is true, then it means that there are transcripts of the calls Trump made in October floating around.  The fact that nothing from those was leaked in October pretty much disproves the "muh Watergate conspiracy" nonsense, but it wouldn't surprise me if damaging information from them gets leaked now that everyone knows to start looking for them.  If this really happened then this is a huge (and potentially very damaging) unforced error, even by Trump administration standards.
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2017, 09:28:05 AM »

Trump raises a good point here.  If the FBI or NSA did wiretap Trump Tower, then let's de-classify the evidence they took to the FISA court to get it approved.  We deserve to know.
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2017, 09:29:11 AM »


How else would Obama know all about Trump's secret communications with the Russians?
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2017, 09:30:22 AM »


Evidence is not something Trump cares about
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2017, 09:31:30 AM »

You are all making the mistake of assuming that if there were wiretaps, they were legal and court approved.
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2017, 09:38:01 AM »

You are all making the mistake of assuming that if there were wiretaps, they were legal and court approved.

Trump should have the balls to do an investigation and provide the evidence that he was illegally wiretapped. Instead he sounds like a wounded person tweeting out empty accusations and empty threats.
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2017, 09:38:58 AM »

You are all making the mistake of assuming that if there were wiretaps, they were legal and court approved.

Trump should have the balls to do an investigation and provide the evidence that he was illegally wiretapped. Instead he sounds like a wounded person tweeting out empty accusations and empty threats.

It was the Bowling Green massacre that got to him.
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2017, 09:39:04 AM »

Trump's right about one thing:

"This is McCarthyism!"

At least if by "this" he means his regime, especially his tweeting. Should we start calling him Tail Gunner Trump?

Although the folks who predicted he'd start going after the Democrats by abusing the law to target them may turn out to be right.  If he weren't such an incompetent insane idiot for a wanna-be fascist dictator I'd be scared sick, instead of just worried.


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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2017, 09:42:08 AM »

You are all making the mistake of assuming that if there were wiretaps, they were legal and court approved.

That's a pretty serious allegation. Care to back it up with literally anything at all?
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2017, 09:57:14 AM »

He is attacking Obama as if he is still the President. Remember, he called Obama a "very good man" in November, and now this morning he called Obama a Bad/Sick guy.
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2017, 09:57:21 AM »

You are all making the mistake of assuming that if there were wiretaps, they were legal and court approved.

Because Occam's razor is a safer bet than "outgoing President wants hot, new, illegal gossip on a guy who he was too chickenshit to release any actual foreign-related intelligence on that he already had before the election".
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