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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2017, 02:35:24 PM »

Huh, I didn't remember AN was so strong in Puglia.

For some reason (does anyone know?) Forza Italia were not on the ballot there, which explains that...

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Trieste et al excepted, I presume the distribution in the North reflects migration from points south?
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2017, 01:42:53 AM »

Trieste et al excepted, I presume the distribution in the North reflects migration from points south?

Definitely so in Turin and Milan, and possibly in Veneto as well, but I have a hard time seeing that in the Verbano-Cusio-Ossola Province...

Friuli as a whole is probably due to ethnic tensions with the Slovenian minority and the presence of people relocated from Istria.
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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2017, 01:58:34 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2017, 11:46:15 AM »

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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2017, 07:26:19 PM »



oh this map is odd
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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2017, 09:55:57 PM »

I mean, Tuscany, Liguria, the greater center, and big cities outside of it all make sense to me. Sardinia might have to do with Berlinguer (it'd be kind of fascinating if so). Not sure what's up in Calabria though.
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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2017, 07:06:15 AM »

I mean, Tuscany, Liguria, the greater center, and big cities outside of it all make sense to me. Sardinia might have to do with Berlinguer (it'd be kind of fascinating if so). Not sure what's up in Calabria though.

That area in southern Sardinia (Carbonia-Iglesisas) is very poor and reliant on mining.
And in fact now it's one of the strongholds of M5S, who also won their first municipal election ever in southern Sardinia (Assemini, near Cagliari).

Calabria has an history of voting quite oddly. A mix of old communists and lots of clientele votes.
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« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2017, 11:11:50 AM »

I mean, Tuscany, Liguria, the greater center, and big cities outside of it all make sense to me. Sardinia might have to do with Berlinguer (it'd be kind of fascinating if so). Not sure what's up in Calabria though.

Weaker around Bologna than in the parts of Lazio outside the City? Actually in the North the map makes 'sense'; it then immediately gets very weird very quickly.
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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2017, 11:54:57 AM »

I mean, Tuscany, Liguria, the greater center, and big cities outside of it all make sense to me. Sardinia might have to do with Berlinguer (it'd be kind of fascinating if so). Not sure what's up in Calabria though.

Communists perceived as relatively anti-'ndrine?
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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2017, 06:43:30 PM »
« Edited: March 27, 2017, 01:08:59 PM by Sibboleth »



Talking of odd maps...

Anyway, the Segni Pact started off as a tendency of the DCs that supported scrapping proportional representation (because electoral reform is a magic bullet to all political problems as everyone knows) and soon became a political party. It changed its name a couple of times in responses to various mergers and splits and fought the 1994 election under the name of its leader, Mario Segni (son of former President and PM Antonio Segni). As well as DCs FOR REFORM it included a random assortment of people from other parties and none and was endorsed by former PSI PM Giuliano Amato. Rather bizarrely Segni ended up leading the electoral coalition for FPTP seats that included the PPI, but such was 1994. Rather amusingly he was defeated in his own FPTP constituency (Sassari) and was only returned as a Deputy on the PR list.

Oh yeah, note that they weren't on the ballot in large parts of the country.
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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2017, 01:43:02 PM »



Why, yes, Marco Pannella was from Abruzzo, how could you tell?
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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2017, 01:58:26 PM »

Really beautiful work, Al! Do you have plans to do the Senate?
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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2017, 01:58:45 PM »

Why, yes, Marco Pannella was from Abruzzo, how could you tell?

Huh, I had no idea. But yeah, it's certainly hard to see Abruzzo be the hotbed of SOCIALLY LIBERAL BUT FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE sympathies.
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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2017, 06:40:22 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2017, 06:24:51 AM by Axel Foley »

My father was born in the Mirafiori neighbourhood of Turin, where there was a big presence of FIAT auto-industry...in 1994 election Mirafiori was put into the "Turin 7" district with other working class neighbourhoods, and that was considered a safe seat for the left coalition...so, psychiatrist and later tv-personality Alessandro Meluzzi, candidate for the Berlusconi's Forza Italia&Northern League alliance, won with 35,59% of the votes, against 35,15% gained by Sergio Chiamparino, the candidate of the left-wing alliance and later mayor of the town representing the center-left coalition...funny thing is that in those times Chiamparino was considered ( sort of)an extremist left-wing, and now -as Piedmont Regional governor- he is considered a liberal-centrist elitist...



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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2017, 06:46:37 AM »
« Edited: April 13, 2017, 06:52:26 AM by Axel Foley »


For some reason (does anyone know?) Forza Italia were not on the ballot there, which explains that...



They were excluded by the checking commission because they collected the signatures needed under the law for presenting their Apulian list of candidates on irregular forms...more specifically, they presented some of those signatures on a National Alliance official form, cancelling NA logo and pen-writing "Forza Italia" in its place.
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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2017, 07:12:23 AM »


For some reason (does anyone know?) Forza Italia were not on the ballot there, which explains that...


They were excluded by the checking commission because they collected the signatures needed under the law for presenting their Apulian list of candidates on irregular forms...more specifically, they presented some of those signatures on a National Alliance official form, cancelling NA logo and pen-writing "Forza Italia" in its place.

Thanks for clearing up that mystery.
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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2017, 09:14:04 AM »


For some reason (does anyone know?) Forza Italia were not on the ballot there, which explains that...



They were excluded by the checking commission because they collected the signatures needed under the law for presenting their Apulian list of candidates on irregular forms...more specifically, they presented some of those signatures on a National Alliance official form, cancelling NA logo and pen-writing "Forza Italia" in its place.

Bahaha. Classic Forza.
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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2017, 09:37:24 AM »


For some reason (does anyone know?) Forza Italia were not on the ballot there, which explains that...



They were excluded by the checking commission because they collected the signatures needed under the law for presenting their Apulian list of candidates on irregular forms...more specifically, they presented some of those signatures on a National Alliance official form, cancelling NA logo and pen-writing "Forza Italia" in its place.

Bahaha. Classic Forza.

Indeed. Almost the same thing occurred in 2010 for the regional elections in Lazio.
PdL (Forza Italia + Alleanza Nazionale) didn't turn the signature forms in time because they were trying to change the candidates until the last second, so that in the province of Rome they weren't on the ballot.

That didn't stop their candidate, Polverini, from winning, though...
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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2017, 09:54:51 AM »

They were excluded by the checking commission because they collected the signatures needed under the law for presenting their Apulian list of candidates on irregular forms...more specifically, they presented some of those signatures on a National Alliance official form, cancelling NA logo and pen-writing "Forza Italia" in its place.

Fantastic! Thank you Smiley
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« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2018, 07:18:11 PM »



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« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2018, 06:26:56 AM »

What exactly was the purpose of the Italian Socialists, aside from funnelling money to Craxi's accounts? Who voted for them? Were they a "genuine" party?
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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2018, 08:53:20 PM »

What exactly was the purpose of the Italian Socialists, aside from funnelling money to Craxi's accounts? Who voted for them? Were they a "genuine" party?

By 1994 the PSI had no purpose as everyone involved was in prison, on the run or about to go to prison. The party had an odd history: at Italy's first post-war election it was actually the largest Left party and had stronger support amongst industrial workers in the North than the PCI, but the Pietro Nenni's famous stupidity* and extraordinary strategic incompetence before the 1948 election put paid to that forever. The party broke its disastrous alliance with the PCI after the Soviet invasion of Hungary and then spent twenty years trying without much success to reconcile its hardline Marxist stance with a desire for political respectability and government participation. Under Craxi the party pretty much dropped all pretenses of bothering with a coherent political platform, running highly personalised campaigns based on vague populist platitudes and an appeal to a hazily defined vision of modernity - Craxi started the trend of political leaders often going without tie (while still wearing a suit) in order to appear more casual, incidentally - and enthusiastically chased middle class voters in the North while also building clientelist networks in the South. A lot of old-timers weren't too happy about all this, but Craxi's enthusiastic approach to corruption (all party members in a position of authority, from parliamentarians to local councillors, were encouraged to loot with systematic abandon to make sure that everyone got their cut: I guess you could say that this was the one form of socialism Craxi did not abandon) kept everyone happy until everyone was suddenly faced with criminal charges.

*A confidential British report from the mid 1940s described the PSI as a 'very silly' party and Nenni as its 'very silly' leader, contrasting this unfavourably the rather more serious PCI.
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« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2018, 01:38:53 PM »

LOL, I have no idea what was up in Western Basilicata and the neighboring districts in Calabria and Campania.
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