2008: Hillary Clinton vs Rudy Giuliani

[OSR stands with Israel]

the favorites to win the nomination in   2007 actually win , and face off  what do you think the map would be.


Here's what I would think would happen:

Hillary 389
Giulani 149

Without the crash here's what I think happens

Hillary 301
Giuliani 237

[President Underwood]

While I agree Hillary would win (no real way for the GOP to win in '08) I'm confused by the direction you have some states going.

One the first map, I agree Montana could go Dem, but it seems Colorado would as well. I also think Kentucky and West Virginia would stay with the GOP, considering West Virginia was the strongest red state, and Kentucky was also up there. Also, I could see Arkansas going GOP easily, though Hillary would have an bigger advantage there than Obama did.

The second map has fewer problems, though having West Virginia going Dem while having Florida and Virginia go GOP doesn't make sense at all.

As a slight disclaimer, I'm new here, so apologies if I've completely misinterpreted this post in some way.

[President Underwood]

Lol, Clinton wouldn't have won Montana (haha), Indiana, Kentucky and probably not even Arkansas.

Honestly, it's not so much that she won Montana, after all, Obama only lost it by 2 points and Hillary is probably more right wing than him, but it's that she won it while losing Colorado. I mean, Colorado leans way, way, way more Dem than Montana, so if Montana goes blue (err, red) Colorado almost certainly would.

On another note, I think she would do better in Indiana than Arkansas, but that's mostly semantics.

[OSR stands with Israel]

While I agree Hillary would win (no real way for the GOP to win in '08) I'm confused by the direction you have some states going.

One the first map, I agree Montana could go Dem, but it seems Colorado would as well. I also think Kentucky and West Virginia would stay with the GOP, considering West Virginia was the strongest red state, and Kentucky was also up there. Also, I could see Arkansas going GOP easily, though Hillary would have an bigger advantage there than Obama did.

The second map has fewer problems, though having West Virginia going Dem while having Florida and Virginia go GOP doesn't make sense at all.

As a slight disclaimer, I'm new here, so apologies if I've completely misinterpreted this post in some way.

Look at this: this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_Hillary_Clinton_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2008#/media/File:McCainClintonMatchup.png


West Virginia only became a safe GOP state after 2008

[OSR stands with Israel]

Lol, Clinton wouldn't have won Montana (haha), Indiana, Kentucky and probably not even Arkansas.

2008 Clinton was still popular in Appalachia. Plus Guilani is a not a Social Conservative(he even said he supported roe vs wade in one of the  gop debates) so he wont be able to overwhelmingly win their votes, and certainly wont be able to get them turnout in high numbers.

Bush in 2000 won Arkansas and WV by less then 5 and Rudy is a way worse fit for those states then Bush was, and Hillary is a way better fit for those states then Gore was, and the GOP was significantly more unpopular in 2008 then 2000.


If you want to beat Hillary in 2008 you need two things to happen: 1. no crash, 2. Someone who can beat her in WV, AK,Missouri  while not losing Ohio, Or Florida. Only one candidate can do that and thats Mitt Romney.

[Kingpoleon]

329: Hillary Clinton/Evan Bayh - 51.8%
209: Rudy Giuliani/Elizabeth Dole - 45.2%