Rank the Russian Governments in the past 300 years

[ag]

Really hoping your seventy seventh suicide attempt is successful.

I reported this comment, not because of personal animosity but because I know there are several posters on Atlas who actually did attempt suicide and cannot handle such comments. As far as I know I have refrained from reporting any of your comments after you made that one thread in The Atlas, because while I dislike you I do appreciate your respect for posters' freedom of speech, but I think this comment crosses the line. I would have reported it if any other poster had said this. This type of comment should not become acceptable on Atlas.

Notably, you did not think approving of killing my ancestors was worth reporting. But, then, you always like it when Jews get killed.

[DavidB.]

Really hoping your seventy seventh suicide attempt is successful.

I reported this comment, not because of personal animosity but because I know there are several posters on Atlas who actually did attempt suicide and cannot handle such comments. As far as I know I have refrained from reporting any of your comments after you made that one thread in The Atlas, because while I dislike you I do appreciate your respect for posters' freedom of speech, but I think this comment crosses the line. I would have reported it if any other poster had said this. This type of comment should not become acceptable on Atlas.

Notably, you did not think approving of killing my ancestors was worth reporting. But, then, you always like it when Jews get killed.

Stop digging. Santander's trolling is absurd, but you're in the wrong here regardless of what he said.

[DavidB.]

Not telling people to kill themselves shouldn't be too much to ask for.

[Goldwater]

[1] Republic of Russia
[2] USSR post-Stalin
[3] Russian Federation
[4] Russian Empire
[5] USSR pre-Stalin
[6] USSR with Stalin

[OSR stands with Israel]

[1] Republic of Russia
[2] USSR post-Stalin
[3] Russian Federation
[4] Russian Empire
[5] USSR pre-Stalin
[6] USSR with Stalin

USSR post Stalin was still considerably worse then today's Russia until Gorbachev

[Lechasseur]

1. Russian Federation
2. Russian Empire
3. Republic of Russia
4. USSR post-Stalin
5. Tie between the remaining two

[vanguard96]

1. Russian Federation
2. Kievan Rus c.e ~900
3. Grand Duchy of Moscow 1283 - 1546
4. Late era USSR 1982-1991
5. Tsardom of Russia 1547-1721
6. Brezhnev era 1963-1982
6. Khrushchev era 1953-1964
7. NEP & Trotskyite Russia 1922-1928
8. Russian Empire 1721 - 1917
9. Stalinist Russia 1929-1939, 1945-53
tie 10. Russian Civil War 1917-1922 & WWII 1939-45

[Kingpoleon]

1. Russian Federation
2. Kievan Rus c.e ~900
3. Grand Duchy of Moscow 1283 - 1546
4. Late era USSR 1982-1991
5. Tsardom of Russia 1547-1721
6. Brezhnev era 1963-1982
6. Khrushchev era 1953-1964
7. NEP & Trotskyite Russia 1922-1928
8. Russian Empire 1721 - 1917
9. Stalinist Russia 1929-1939, 1945-53
tie 10. Russian Civil War 1917-1922 & WWII 1939-45

In what world are the Tsardom of Russia and the Brezhnev era preferable or equal to the Khrushchev era?

[kelestian]

Russian Republic isn't a thing in my opinion, very short period, full of chaos and incompetence.
Of others, the most reasonable choice (the best for the russian citizens):
1. Russian Federation
2. Russian Empire
3. post-Stalin USSR
4. Hell on Earth (1917-1953 USSR)

[America Needs R'hllor]

1. Republic of Russia

2.  Late Soviet Union






3. Russian Federation
4. Russian Empire
5. Early Soviet Union

Lol, no. Changing my votes:

1. Gorbachev's USSR

2. Russian Federation
3. Russian Republic

4.  Late USSR




5. Russian Empire
6. Early Soviet Union

I mean, the Republic was utterly incompetent. But all are horrid, anyway.

[Dr. MB]

1. Russian Republic
2. Russian Federation
3. Pre-Stalin but post-Civil War USSR
4. USSR under Gorbachev
5. USSR under Khrushchev/Brezhnev
6. Civil War-era USSR
7. Russian Empire
8. USSR under Stalin

[Jon698]

1. Russian Federation
2. Republic of Russia
3. Russian Empire
4. USSR pre-Stalin|USSR post-Stalin
5. USSR with Stalin

[Strudelcutie4427]

1. Rossiskaya Imperiya dlya Rasputin (joke)
2. Rossiskaya Federatsiya (1991-)
3. Sovyetskiy Soyuz (Gorbachev)
4. Rossiskaya Respublika (1917)
4. Rossiskaya Imperiya (1700-1917)
5. Sovyetskiy Soyuz (Khrushchev)
6. Sovyetskiy Soyuz (Brezhnev, Andropov/Chernenko)
7. Sovyetskiy Soyuz (Ulyanov)
8. Sovyetskiy Soyuz (Dzhughashvili)

[smoltchanov]

[1] Republic of Russia
[2] USSR post-Stalin
[3] Russian Federation
[4] Russian Empire
[5] USSR pre-Stalin
[6] USSR with Stalin

Almost my ratings. I would only lower post-Stalin USSR 2 positions (and, as a result, raised Russian Federation and Russian Empire by one). As a Russian living in Russia i have reasonably good understanding of what was what. After all - i lived in post-Stalin USSR for many years. Only in 1985 change began.

[kelestian]

1. Republic of Russia

2.  Late Soviet Union






3. Russian Federation
4. Russian Empire
5. Early Soviet Union

Lol, no. Changing my votes:

1. Gorbachev's USSR

2. Russian Federation
3. Russian Republic

4.  Late USSR




5. Russian Empire
6. Early Soviet Union

I mean, the Republic was utterly incompetent. But all are horrid, anyway.

I mean, Russian Republic isn't a thing, just interim short period between USSR and Empire.

[smoltchanov]

Guys, please understand, that mentality and traditions of most Russians are very different from both "standard western mentality" (US, UK, Germany, and so on) and typical Asian (China, Japan and so on) one  too. In many aspects it's almost unique mixture of both with addition of "own" elements. So, Russian governments generally reflect it (you can call Putin any "dirty word" and i will concur, but most Russians are no more "progressive" then he is, may be - even less), and to evaluate it using "standard western criteria" makes little sense. I hope, that Russian traditions and reality will slowly move in western direction, but word slowly is a key here..

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1. Gorbachev
2. Other post Stalin USSR
3. Yeltsin
4. Putin
5. Pre Stalin USSR
6. Russian Empire
7. Stalin

[America Needs R'hllor]

1. Republic of Russia

2.  Late Soviet Union






3. Russian Federation
4. Russian Empire
5. Early Soviet Union

Lol, no. Changing my votes:

1. Gorbachev's USSR

2. Russian Federation
3. Russian Republic

4.  Late USSR




5. Russian Empire
6. Early Soviet Union

I mean, the Republic was utterly incompetent. But all are horrid, anyway.

I mean, Russian Republic isn't a thing, just interim short period between USSR and Empire.

Could they be considered interim, though? It's not like they intended Russia to fall for the Marxists. Originally, afaik, they were a coalition of centrists and moderate socialists, aiming to be a democracy, but they were su incompetent the Bolsheviks inevitably rose.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

All of them were awful places to live. Most of the forms of Russian statehood were highly oppressive and strongly imperialist, ordinary people were living like slaves. Soviet Union at least modernised Russia but on the other hand caused a lot of misery and created a lot of problems common for post-Soviet zone. Still from the Russian perspective probably Soviet Union, even with its atrocities, was the best Russian(-dominated) form of statehood in the past 300 years.

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All of them have been different degrees of shambolically and oppressive, and bad in different ways that make direct comparison pretty hard. And each "government" has a lot of variation in badness depending on the leaders - a lot of people bin this thread are splitting the USSR into the Lenin/Stalin/Khrushchev/Brezhnev/Gorby years, but to me treating the "Russian Empire" as a period that could be rated as a whole is equally flawed.

[MATTROSE94]

1. Russian Federation (1991-1999)
2. USSR (1985-1991)
3. Russian Federation (1999-Present)
3. Russian Empire
4. USSR (1917-1922)
5. USSR (1953-1985)
6. USSR (1922-1953)

Much like kelestian, I did not include the Russian Republic due to its short-lived nature.

[Karpatsky]

1. Russian Democratic Federative Republic - very short-lived, but had it been allowed to continue would have been one of the freest countries in the world at the time. If Kerensky had overcome his pride and got out of the damn war, the whole history of Eastern Europe would be hugely more optimistic.
2. Russian Provisional Government - plagued by difficulties in dual power and undermined by the fact that the liberals put off real elections because they didn't trust the Soviets. Still a lot better than what preceded and followed it.
3. Gorbachev's USSR - less because of what it was and more because of what it could have been. One of the few periods in Russia's history where it has been moving in the right direction quickly.
4. Pre-Stalin RSFSR and USSR - an exercise in could-have-beens. This is an era often overlooked because of what followed it, but amazing feats in development, both industrially and in standards of living were achieved.
5. Russian Federation -  Especially after 2008, the very definition of shooting oneself in the foot to fight the last war. A terrible missed opportunity.
6. Between Stalin and Gorbachev - mild liberalization followed by increasing corruption and incompetence. The leaders of the country during this period already knew their ideology was flawed, but had to continue for their own benefit.
7. Russian Empire - the excesses of this regime have apparently been forgotten to history. This is a government which had no real interest in the standard of living of 90% of the population and clamped down on political freedom as much as Stalin did. Anyone who is confused as to why most Russian Imperial officers joined the Red army for the civil war, or why it was so easy to compel a nation to engage in what can be only-slightly-hyperbolically described as class genocide would do well to read more into the imperial period beyond Fox's Anastasia. There were ups and downs depending on the tsar in question, but beyond Alexander I, pre-Pugachev Catherine, and maybe Alexander II no period is good enough to beat out Khrushchev, as low a bar it is.
8. Stalin's USSR - for obvious reasons.

[MATTROSE94]

1. Russian Democratic Federative Republic - very short-lived, but had it been allowed to continue would have been one of the freest countries in the world at the time. If Kerensky had overcome his pride and got out of the damn war, the whole history of Eastern Europe would be hugely more optimistic.
2. Russian Provisional Government - plagued by difficulties in dual power and undermined by the fact that the liberals put off real elections because they didn't trust the Soviets. Still a lot better than what preceded and followed it.
3. Gorbachev's USSR - less because of what it was and more because of what it could have been. One of the few periods in Russia's history where it has been moving in the right direction quickly.
4. Pre-Stalin RSFSR and USSR - an exercise in could-have-beens. This is an era often overlooked because of what followed it, but amazing feats in development, both industrially and in standards of living were achieved.
5. Russian Federation -  Especially after 2008, the very definition of shooting oneself in the foot to fight the last war. A terrible missed opportunity.
6. Between Stalin and Gorbachev - mild liberalization followed by increasing corruption and incompetence. The leaders of the country during this period already knew their ideology was flawed, but had to continue for their own benefit.
7. Russian Empire - the excesses of this regime have apparently been forgotten to history. This is a government which had no real interest in the standard of living of 90% of the population and clamped down on political freedom as much as Stalin did. Anyone who is confused as to why most Russian Imperial officers joined the Red army for the civil war, or why it was so easy to compel a nation to engage in what can be only-slightly-hyperbolically described as class genocide would do well to read more into the imperial period beyond Fox's Anastasia. There were ups and downs depending on the tsar in question, but beyond Alexander I, pre-Pugachev Catherine, and maybe Alexander II no period is good enough to beat out Khrushchev, as low a bar it is.
8. Stalin's USSR - for obvious reasons.

The Russian Empire sounds a lot like Iran under the Pahlavi monarch, the only difference being that the Czars were a bit better regarding human rights overall.

[Karpatsky]

The Russian Empire sounds a lot like Iran under the Pahlavi monarch, the only difference being that the Czars were a bit better regarding human rights overall.

I doubt this but don't have the background in Iran to refute it.

Pre-February Russia has been so romanticized in the West as a result of White emigres controlling the narrative for so many decades. People should look into Russia's role in the debate regarding US entry into the World War - the February Revolution made it hugely easier for Wilson to enter on the Entente side, so infamous was the Tsarist regime.

[Wikipedia delenda est]

1. Russian Republic
2. Gorbachev USSR
3. Russian Federation
4. Post-Stalin, Pre-Gorbachev USSR
5. Russian Empire
6. Pre-Stalin USSR
7. Stalin USSR