McInnes assaulted at NYU. Pepperspayed. Professor advocated violence. 11 arrests

[JA]

Richard Spencer is a Nazi, is anyone denying that?

But what does Gavin McInnes have to do with Richard Spencer?

Spencer is not a Nazi or a white supremacist. He is a white nationalist troll with some very bad views.

Implying that there's a difference between white supremacy and white nationalism is an adoption of the same narrative (designed by Spencer & Co.) that establishes a false distinction between alt right and neo-nazi. One cannot believe in white separatism without white supremacy, regardless of what the "I'm not a racist, I'm a racialist" loons say.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

Why would a sexist anti-feminist have a wife?

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

Why would a sexist anti-feminist have a wife?

Racism works differently than sexism.

[publicunofficial]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

Why would a sexist anti-feminist have a wife?

Racism works differently than sexism.

It really doesn't. Same mindset leads to both.

[JA]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

His wife is East Asian. To most white supremacists, East Asians (especially Japanese) are well respected and their women considered viable sexual partners and sometimes championed as better than Western white women because they "aren't corrupted by feminism." So they supposedly make better, more obedient and submissive wives, just like White women used to when they "knew their place."

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

Why would a sexist anti-feminist have a wife?

Racism works differently than sexism.

It really doesn't. Same mindset leads to both.

You don't see sexists calling for the genocide of women, a males-only nation, or forcing men and women to live on different sides of cities.  It manifests itself very differently.

[JJC]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

His wife is East Asian. To most white supremacists, East Asians (especially Japanese) are well respected and their women considered viable sexual partners and sometimes championed as better than Western white women because they "aren't corrupted by feminism." So they supposedly make better, more obedient and submissive wives, just like White women used to when they "knew their place."

Cool story bro.

[Xing]

*Sigh* I told myself I would regret reading this thread. I wasn't wrong. It's pretty much a given that violence of any kind will be politicized, and result in sweeping generalizations.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

His wife is East Asian. To most white supremacists, East Asians (especially Japanese) are well respected and their women considered viable sexual partners and sometimes championed as better than Western white women because they "aren't corrupted by feminism." So they supposedly make better, more obedient and submissive wives, just like White women used to when they "knew their place."

I know they think that Asians are better than other minorities.  But I'd still think that most of them would be against any type of "race-mixing."

An alt-rightist once told me that "whites who prefer Asians should be deported to North Korea."

[Mr. Reactionary]

*Sigh* I told myself I would regret reading this thread. I wasn't wrong. It's pretty much a given that violence of any kind will be politicized, and result in sweeping generalizations.

Unfortunately at this point everything seems to be politicized and results in sweeping generalizations. (From both sides)

[JA]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

His wife is East Asian. To most white supremacists, East Asians (especially Japanese) are well respected and their women considered viable sexual partners and sometimes championed as better than Western white women because they "aren't corrupted by feminism." So they supposedly make better, more obedient and submissive wives, just like White women used to when they "knew their place."

Cool story bro.

Yeah, except being a former blogger with the "alt right," I think I have a pretty damn good understanding of their mindset. Although you seem pretty well versed in it as well, probably from reading too much Breitbart. That news site is hardly even acknowledged among the deeper circles of the "alt right," like Taki's Magazine, to which Gavin McInnes regularly contributes(d).

[JA]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

His wife is East Asian. To most white supremacists, East Asians (especially Japanese) are well respected and their women considered viable sexual partners and sometimes championed as better than Western white women because they "aren't corrupted by feminism." So they supposedly make better, more obedient and submissive wives, just like White women used to when they "knew their place."

I know they think that Asians are better than other minorities.  But I'd still think that most of them would be against any type of "race-mixing."

An alt-rightist once told me that "whites who prefer Asians should be deported to North Korea."

Understand that the "alt right" is definitely not a homogenous group, especially not of ideas.

[The_Doctor]

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Let's be honest. Both the Left and the Right have demonized the other side, albeit in different ways. The Left protests, the Right demonizes in tea party town halls. Neither side has clean hands but the right has dirtier hands.

The Left believes in a civic religion but so does the Trump-backed right. They believe in the power of the state to enforce certain cultural and social norms. The Right, on some level, is just as bad as the left in demanding that certain norms be enforced and obeyed. The right doesn't politicize everything and raises everything to a political battle?

The rest is kind of a debate for another forum; about what motivates the Right and the Left, but pertinent to this thread, I responded.

[Associate Justice PiT]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

Why would a sexist anti-feminist have a wife?

Racism works differently than sexism.

It really doesn't. Same mindset leads to both.

You don't see sexists calling for the genocide of women, a males-only nation, or forcing men and women to live on different sides of cities.  It manifests itself very differently.

     There actually are such people, but they are extremely fringe.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

His wife is East Asian. To most white supremacists, East Asians (especially Japanese) are well respected and their women considered viable sexual partners and sometimes championed as better than Western white women because they "aren't corrupted by feminism." So they supposedly make better, more obedient and submissive wives, just like White women used to when they "knew their place."

I know they think that Asians are better than other minorities.  But I'd still think that most of them would be against any type of "race-mixing."

An alt-rightist once told me that "whites who prefer Asians should be deported to North Korea."

Understand that the "alt right" is definitely not a homogenous group, especially not of ideas.

I understand.  I've been fighting the alt-right since July of 2015.  There seems to be a common theme of "whites shouldn't marry non-whites."  Some say that it's okay to have sex with Asians, but not to marry them.  These people are considered "moderate" by alt-right standards.

[JJC]

So, would Branch Trumpidians be OK with socialists, Marxists, and even radical SJW talking uninterrupted? I don't remember them being very OK with the idea.

Literally the top post on R/The_Donald

[Tartarus Sauce]

McInnes deserves this.

He deserves it much more than Milo does IMO but these sorts of things are counter-productive. The most effective tactic is still to just ignore them.

Ignoring people who spread hate and ignorance won't stop the spread of hate and ignorance. Too many liberals and conservatives today have become tolerant of behavior and rhetoric that's dangerous to our democracy and values. You don't ignore cancer and hope it goes away; you don't ignore a bully and hope they get tired of it; you destroy them.

This is actually the correct way of thinking; that which is antithetical to American democratic values must be confronted and dismissed directly. Of course, it is imperative for this confrontation to be held through dialogue and debate rather than fisticuffs. Those advocating for us to ignore such ideologies invoke the danger of eroding our values into a "dead dogma" as warned by Mill.

The only problem with trying to attack these viewpoints through dialogue and debate is that fascists don't respond to that rhetoric. If you try to confront the problem as you would a normal, rational debater, you've already lost. Therefore, you can only ridicule them because the cuts right into their narcissistic sensibilities.

You're not engaging with them to change their minds, you're doing it to dissuade others who might be inclined to fall prey to their way of thinking, as well as to remind people the actual values of their country.

[Mr. Reactionary]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

Why would a sexist anti-feminist have a wife?

Racism works differently than sexism.

It really doesn't. Same mindset leads to both.

You don't see sexists calling for the genocide of women, a males-only nation, or forcing men and women to live on different sides of cities.  It manifests itself very differently.

     There actually are such people, but they are extremely fringe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto?wprov=sfla1

Id cite to this group except sjw logic holds that women cant be sexist even when they do advocate for male genocide. Because magical privilege powers or some such nonsense

[Associate Justice PiT]

McInnes is utter garbage, but he's obviously not a Nazi, as he married a non white woman and has mixed kids.

Racist men often marry out of race to assert their superiority. This is not evidence.

It is evidence that he is not a Nazi. To a Nazi him mixing his blood with a non white is treason to his race and his ancestors.

White supremacist then.

Why would a White Supremacist have a non-white wife?  This isn't "I have a black friend" this is someone choosing to spend the rest of their lives with someone of another race.

Why would a sexist anti-feminist have a wife?

Racism works differently than sexism.

It really doesn't. Same mindset leads to both.

You don't see sexists calling for the genocide of women, a males-only nation, or forcing men and women to live on different sides of cities.  It manifests itself very differently.

     There actually are such people, but they are extremely fringe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto?wprov=sfla1

Id cite to this group except sjw logic holds that women cant be sexist even when they do advocate for male genocide. Because magical privilege powers or some such nonsense

     I was actually thinking of certain MGTOWs, but Valerie Solanas is another good example. I usually bring her up when people deify second wave feminists in contrast to third wave feminists.

[ApatheticAustrian]

there are nearly no "oldschool nazis" anymore and there are enough other groups who are easily as despicable, even if they don't want credit for genocide anymore.

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McDickless is a harmless idiot, not somebody worth raging over.  Unless there's more to the story that I'm missing here.

[dead0man]

I just wonder how supportive these same people defending Spencer, Milo, and McInnes would be of American universities allowing Salafis* to speak. They wouldn't possibly say the colleges are aiding "the enemy," would they? The headline on Drudge wouldn't say anything like "Leftwing university invites Islamic extremist to give speech." They rightwing here on Atlas would surely come to their defense, right? You know, because so long as they aren't being violent they deserve that freedom to speak on college campuses as well, yes? And the colleges would be wrong for denying that to them, correct?

*Salafis aren't necessarily violent or extremists. Some can be Islamists, yes. But Salafi doesn't equal Islamist. They still hold some very repugnant views on many issues, however - especially regarding homosexuals.

You understand the difference between saying something is bad and punching somebody in the face you think is a racist (who is actually a Muslim immigrant) right?  Words and violence are different.  I know some of the idiot kids claim "words are violence" or whatever but that doesn't mean words ever equal actual violence.  But I'll play your game.....

If some lefties invited, say, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, I'd bet people would protest, he'd say some stupid sh**t and everybody would go home.  Like say, when it actually happened.  Sure, you'll say, he's not a Salafist, but he's much more a terrorist than Spencer is a Nazi and certainly hated by the right, who very much protested his presence...violence free as far as I can tell.

Certainly other dirt bags have been invited by lefties who have been protested by righties, do you have any evidence of them getting violent to support your "whataboutism" claims?

tldr version:It's ok to protest, it's ok to be against a speaker.  It's not ok to punch people you disagree with, it's not ok to shut down political speech you disagree with.  It doesn't matter if the speech is pro Nazi or pro Salafist or pro flat Earth.  I don't want Milo or McStupidlastname to have a large platform any more than you do, I just think the violence is counter productive and more importantly, counter freedom.

[ApatheticAustrian]

in general i totally agree with the first amendment and see it as an increase of liberty.

at the same time.....ofc words are sometimes more than words and can hurt you more than a fist and can spread rage and also inspire the listeners to spead violence themselves.

i detest violence and the black bloc but words are also a responsibility, even if you are entitled to wish for the death of other people in a legal sense.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Of course they're not students. There are anarchists who show up to protests wherever, and they have nothing to do with the right-wing. Same thing happened when there were protests over the Oscar Grant shooting death; even though it was in Oakland the large majority of the people arrested were from San Francisco.

     I would imagine that a professor of Public Policy would know something about this phenomenon, but I guess not.