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« on: January 15, 2017, 06:44:21 AM »

Here we have yet another example of the US establishment promoting leftist ideology. For decades the US establishment has promoted leftism directly through the government, through the establishment media and through the education and University system. Here is just the latest example.

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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2017, 08:33:47 AM »

It's widespread in Australian education.

My son nearly got suspended from school when he told the English teacher he was glad Trump was building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

It's absurd that a lot of people are selling Trump as morally illegal.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2017, 09:34:42 AM »

It's widespread in Australian education.

My son nearly got suspended from school when he told the English teacher he was glad Trump was building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

It's absurd that a lot of people are selling Trump as morally illegal.
The funny thing is these leftists think they're being radical and fighting against the oppression of the system. Left wing ideology and activists are being supported in their cause by the School system, the University system, most of media, all of the government bureaucracy and most of the big corporations. If all of these institutions are promoting and/or encouraging leftist ideology and activism that's a pretty big sign that that ideology is the ideology of the establishment not the opposition to it.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2017, 10:19:30 AM »

LOL.

Also,

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2017, 10:20:59 AM »

It's widespread in Australian education.

My son nearly got suspended from school when he told the English teacher he was glad Trump was building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

It's absurd that a lot of people are selling Trump as morally illegal.

Of course, he shouldn't have nearly been suspended, there should have been a free debate therof, in where he should've been criticised on and questioned on his views, as part of a healthy debate.

No doubt, such horrendous beliefs, were influenced by you.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2017, 10:25:56 AM »

Kids: don't do drugs.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2017, 10:36:28 AM »

It's widespread in Australian education.

My son nearly got suspended from school when he told the English teacher he was glad Trump was building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

It's absurd that a lot of people are selling Trump as morally illegal.
Well your son is racist from what it looks like, and really, this thread has to keep being made.  We know you're deplorable, so why keep reminding us of it.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2017, 10:39:43 AM »
« Edited: January 15, 2017, 10:43:33 AM by Special Boy »

It's widespread in Australian education.

My son nearly got suspended from school when he told the English teacher he was glad Trump was building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

It's absurd that a lot of people are selling Trump as morally illegal.
Well your son is racist from what it looks like, and really, this thread has to keep being made.  We know you're deplorable, so why keep reminding us of it.

No. You're deplorable for calling a racist deplorable. Can't you see that the traditional population of the Anglosphere is being systemically oppressed cuckholded by taxes, (((socialist professors and publishing professionals))), abortion, and brown people? HEAR THEIR PLIGHT!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2017, 10:59:48 AM »

It's widespread in Australian education.

My son nearly got suspended from school when he told the English teacher he was glad Trump was building a wall to keep the Mexicans out.

It's absurd that a lot of people are selling Trump as morally illegal.

Of course, he shouldn't have nearly been suspended, there should have been a free debate therof, in where he should've been criticised on and questioned on his views, as part of a healthy debate.

Well from the sounds of it he wasn't suspended. The question arises what would happen if instead of expressing a right wing opinion he had expressed a left wing opinion. What if Hillary had won and he had said that he was glad Hillary had won because it would mean that America would become even more open to immigration? Would you have then said that "there should have been a free debate therof, in where he should've been criticised on and questioned on his views, as part of a healthy debate."? I wouldn't expect you would take such a stand.

More importantly no one would expect the school to take such a stand. Everyone would expect the school to see its role as challenging and opposing right wing views and not see its role as challenging and opposing left wing views. In other words everyone would expect the school to have a left wing slant in its way of thinking and acting. If government schools are promoting leftism doesn't that tell you that the establishment that controls the schools want leftism promoted.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2017, 11:03:09 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4DHgVBSL8
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2017, 11:17:47 AM »
« Edited: January 15, 2017, 11:22:30 AM by Jacobin American »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2017, 11:49:45 AM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2017, 12:00:35 PM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".

There are different degrees of privilege. Socioeconomic status is one, albeit perhaps the greatest, example of privilege.
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2017, 12:17:47 PM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".
He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman.  He has a ton of privilege.
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2017, 12:29:49 PM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".
He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman.  He has a ton of privilege.

OMG. You are literally insane. You are also a racist, sexist and a bigot.

People like you are why this world is so terrible.
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2017, 12:36:10 PM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".
He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman.  He has a ton of privilege.

OMG. You are literally insane. You are also a racist, sexist and a bigot.

People like you are why this world is so terrible.

No, the system which has fostered and excused such attitudes and behavior is terrible. It's the one that has cultivated racist, sexist, and bigoted views in privileged people, even without them fully realizing it.
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2017, 12:37:22 PM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

I'll just go through your points one by one

1. You don't like news articles appearing in right wing news sites like Breitbart.com. You presumably prefer left wing sources like CNN, WaPo or NYT. I know that's your preference but that's not really an argument against the substance of the report.

2. Again I get it, you don't like Tom Tancredo. Again that's not an argument.

3. No the detail isn't in the article. The detail is in the report talked about and linked to in the article.  Link is here in case you missed it

https://www.nas.org/images/documents/NAS_makingCitizens_fullReport.pdf

4. NAS is a right wing group. Again you don't like right wing organisations and prefer left wing organisations like the Universities studied in the report. Again that's not an argument.

5. This is not about questioning how knowledgeable of those working in the university are about their institutions. Its about questioning their ideology and the ideology of the institutions they teach in.

6. So in point 5 you say that the argument that universities teach and promote left wing ideology and activism is wrong. In point 6 you say that they should teach left wing ideology and activism. I would suggest that there's plenty of evidence, not only in this recent report but in plenty of other places that  Universities are doing exactly what you think they should.

For your points about history all of these are taught from a left wing perspective. To deal with just a few of the points you raised

Slavery. Every major society in history until recently has both practised and been the victims of slavery. How many students learning about the middle passage will have heard anything about the Barbary pirates or the Barbary wars? Western countries, including the United States, were the ones who moved forward with abolishing and criminalising Slavery worldwide.

Forced relocation of other ethnic groups. Most countries have done this in their history. Native American tribes would do it to other Native American tribes before European rule. The country with the biggest record of ethnic forced relocations in the last 100 years was the Soviet Union. Again I doubt many students will hear that perspective?

Jim Crow and segregation. Again a terrible and oppressive system. Again many counties have practised oppressive systems of government. At the same time as Jim Crow law was being practised in America you had communist governments in Russia, China, Vietnam and elsewhere which were far more cruel and oppressive than Jim Crow ever was. Will students be taught that context? No, its more likely to be taught by professors who are themselves communists, in other words be taught by professors (rightly) denouncing Jim Crow whilst they support a system of government even more vicious and cruel.

As for the present if you're talking about things like 'white privilege' and 'the patriarchy' when you ask "are they not real" then the answer is no, they are not real, they don't exist. To assert that things like 'white privilege' and 'the patriarchy' exist and are real is most definitely a left wing perspective. A left wing view of Universities that you are simultaneously arguing doesn't happen and yet should happen. Well you'll be pleased to lean that Universities do teach the left wing view you so approve of.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2017, 12:52:12 PM »


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7. Teaching students to berate the government and establishment for 'failing to live up' to its leftist ideology (i.e. failure to impose its leftist ideology sufficiently strongly on reality) is precisely the way that left wing establishment is taught in Universities and is exactly the way the establishment want their ideology promoted.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2017, 12:56:14 PM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".
He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman.  He has a ton of privilege.

OMG. You are literally insane. You are also a racist, sexist and a bigot.

People like you are why this world is so terrible.

No, the system which has fostered and excused such attitudes and behavior is terrible. It's the one that has cultivated racist, sexist, and bigoted views in privileged people, even without them fully realizing it.

Stop accusing people who you disagree with politically of being 'privileged'. And especially stop doing so based on sex and skin color. That's racist and sexist. You are judging people and their morality based on their ethnicity and gender. Racist and sexist.

And all it really is is typical socialist envy-ism.

It's especially dumb considering that you liberals control 'the system'. Liberals have complete and total dominance in our news media, cultural media, education system and bureaucracies. And don't even get me started on universities - which are so far beyond the pale as to be reminiscent of socialist indoctrination camps. You liberals talk about your 'safe space' (where you can pretend opposing opinions do not exists). Well I can tell you that Republicans certainly don't feel safe or included within your universities - they feel marginalized and even threatened if their political views become known.

Trust me, as a conservative in high school some 6 years ago I know what it's like to have liberal ideology spewed in my face and feeling like I couldn't speak out against it (especially from my English teachers.) And I'm in Texas.

But who cares? I'm a white male right? (Actually I'm mixed - my father was from Iran.) But thanks for judging me anyway.

Racist and sexist.
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2017, 12:56:28 PM »

He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences. 

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Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha, nice one, LMOA

Oh, oh dear, you actually believe that. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2017, 01:00:05 PM »

Relevant article: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/overwrought-political-correctness-helped-trump-win-a-1125725.html
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2017, 01:05:03 PM »
« Edited: January 15, 2017, 01:10:45 PM by bronz4141 »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".
He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman. He has a ton of privilege.

Do you hate being a white man? Are you a white guilt person? Minorities need to take more responsibility. Blaming the whites for everything is getting old. America needs to come together as a WHOLE to fix these problems, regardless of who is in charge.
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2017, 01:08:20 PM »
« Edited: January 15, 2017, 01:16:02 PM by bronz4141 »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Muslims need to pay for their deeds. It may help reduce terrorism. Most whites don't go around bombing things.  What white people did was in the past. That was then, this is now. 9/11 was 15 years ago, 21st century. We're still in the 21st century. Stop thinking about slavery. It's over. It's a stained past. Move on. What the hell more do you want Americans to do? Reparations will never happen, we spend millions on welfare programs, year after year, and the problems in the inner cities still happen. What the hell more do you want America to sacrifice? Living in the inner cities? Taxing whites to the point of fiscal insolvency? What more?

This type of thinking will only cost Democrats more in 2017, 2018, and 2020. Democrats will be lucky to get 20% of the white vote by 2020.
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2017, 01:15:56 PM »

He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.

Some facts that may enlighten you

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Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha, nice one, LMOA

Oh, oh dear, you actually believe that. Roll Eyes
I mean it is hard not to kill more while people when they are a majority of the people in the US.
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2017, 01:16:32 PM »

There's so much insane stuff going on here I'm not even sure where to begin.

1. This article was published by Breitbart, which should be sufficient to discredit it

2. It was written by the ex-Congressman Tom Tancredo, a right-wing fanatic

3. There was hardly any detail or actual analysis of this supposed left-wing indoctrination in the article, merely Tancredo ranting about how awful and powerful the left wing social justice advocates have supposedly become

4. The article cites the NAS, which is a conservative Republican organization formed in opposition to the mainstream of higher education and multiculturalism, whose founder became right-wing due to African American riots

5. It's funny that you believe, simply because those in higher education disagree with your perspective, that they must be the uninformed ones. These are professionals, highly educated in their fields, and significantly more knowledgeable than you, me, or Tancredo on these topics; the fact that all these highly educated people strongly disagree with your perspective may not indicate some conspiracy, but that you're misinformed and wrong

6. What's wrong with teaching students the truth about America's government and our nation's history? Yes, our founders were extremely hypocritical when they wrote "all men are created equal" while they had African Americans bound in slavery, countless European immigrants weren't viewed as White because they weren't British, and anyone who wasn't a British, land owning male was disenfranchised. Our government has repeatedly engaged in discrimination (slavery, forced removals of Native Americans, Jim Crow and segregation, internment of Japanese, immigration restrictions passed on the grounds of Northern European supremacy lasting until 1965, anti-miscegenation laws, criminalization of homosexuality until only a little over a decade ago, systemic police violence and harassment of African Americans, underfunding of lower class schools, talk of targeting a specific religious minority for exclusion and targeted surveillance even in 2016, forced sterilization of the poor and mentally ill lasting until the 1970s, disproportionate representation of privileged groups in positions of wealth and power with disproportionate representation of the underprivileged in prison and poverty, and so on). Are those things not real? Did they not happen? Were they not perpetrated by a government which claimed to support "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with equal rights"? Or am I just making all that up?

7. To be a good citizen is to challenge our government and society's norms which defy that proclamation of human equality when it falls short of the mark. It's to not blindly accept and worship our often hypocritical and faulty leaders who habitually excuses and justified their violations of those truths in the Declaration of Independence. To be civically engaged and a good American is to help our country live up to those ideals, not close our eyes and ears to pretend like nothing bad ever happened or is happening. It's also to accept that some of us have privilege due to our race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, gender identity, country of origin, and socioeconomic class. Only by acknowledging this privilege can we understand the plight of others not as fortunate as those of us with privilege, both historically and presently, and begin to right those wrongs.

Great speech but just because you aren't disadvantaged doesn't mean you are privileged. Privileged are those who are in the top 2%, making $250k+ plus a year or went to the finest private schools. You can't tell 41 year old Joe Schmoe Associates Degree making $42,200 a year in Dayton, Ohio that he is "privileged".
He has the privilege of being a white man.  One who doesn't have to fear being killed by the police when under arrest for even minor offences.  And as a man, his opinion is more valued than that of a woman.  He has a ton of privilege.

OMG. You are literally insane. You are also a racist, sexist and a bigot.

People like you are why this world is so terrible.
Pot please meet the damn kettle.
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