Can constitutional monarchies(elective OR hereditary) be a good government form?

[Kingpoleon]

I recall having a discussion with someone, I believe TimTurner, about monarchies. I was playing devil's advocate to his arguments about how monarchies, in some cases, may be better than some democracies/republics.

[Santander]

Of course. Constitutional monarchy is by far the best form of government, although I favor greater Royal Prerogative than currently exists in the Commonwealth realms. Elective monarchies are an affront to divine right - the most beautiful aspect of monarchy is that the monarch becomes monarch not through election or appointment, but the simple accident of birth. God will deliver righteous sovereigns to righteous people.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

They are definitely preferable to Presidents with executive power.

That saod, I've always thought it's a bit cruel to the monarchs themselves. The lives of the Japanese Imperial family especially.

[parochial boy]

Of course. Constitutional monarchy is by far the best form of government, although I favor greater Royal Prerogative than currently exists in the Commonwealth realms. Elective monarchies are an affront to divine right - the most beautiful aspect of monarchy is that the monarch becomes monarch not through election or appointment, but the simple accident of birth. God will deliver righteous sovereigns to righteous people.

All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful,
The Lord God made them all.

2.
Each little flower that opens,
Each little bird that sings,
He made their glowing colours,
He made their tiny wings.

All things bright ...

3.
The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them high and lowly,
And ordered their estate.

[Cashew]

NO its an abomination. At one point a case for monarchies could be made, as they were actually involved in governing and they had to struggle against rivals to keep their throne. But to be entitled to a somewhat symbolic throne with no extra effort to show for it is morally repugnant. Let it be clear, practically every monarch is the descendant of a usurper in some form, and this "divine right" is just an attempt to kick down the ladder.

[Blue3]

I recall having a discussion with someone, I believe TimTurner, about monarchies. I was playing devil's advocate to his arguments about how monarchies, in some cases, may be better than some democracies/republics.

How would an elective monarchy with a legislature be different from what we have, besides a title?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I can tolerate the Swedish model (ie one where the monarch has no political power or function whatsoever, not even in forming government).

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Well, yeah, they can, as long as people are fine with them.

[Kingpoleon]

I recall having a discussion with someone, I believe TimTurner, about monarchies. I was playing devil's advocate to his arguments about how monarchies, in some cases, may be better than some democracies/republics.

How would an elective monarchy with a legislature be different from what we have, besides a title?

An elective monarch would probably have slightly more power than the President, and they would probably rule for life.

[Santander]

I recall having a discussion with someone, I believe TimTurner, about monarchies. I was playing devil's advocate to his arguments about how monarchies, in some cases, may be better than some democracies/republics.

How would an elective monarchy with a legislature be different from what we have, besides a title?

An elective monarch would probably have slightly more power than the President, and they would probably rule for life.

So basically Trump, then.

[Green Line]

NO.  The most preferable system in the world would be based off the Irish system, with an elected figurehead president and all real power residing with the Parliament.

[Antonio the Sixth]

NO.  The most preferable system in the world would be based off the Irish system, with an elected figurehead president and all real power residing with the Parliament.

...I agree with Green Line on something?

[RaphaelDLG]

The best and the most democratic governments in the world happen to be constitutional monarchies, they aren't the best because they are constitutional monarchies.  Big difference.

In fact, they are still monarchies today only because they became good enough to not have enough public outcry for the odious system of monarchy to be overthrown.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     A country with a powerless monarch is practically no different from a republican state. Also this:

The best and the most democratic governments in the world happen to be constitutional monarchies, they aren't the best because they are constitutional monarchies.  Big difference.

In fact, they are still monarchies today only because they became good enough to not have enough public outcry for the odious system of monarchy to be overthrown.

[Kingpoleon]

     A country with a powerless monarch is practically no different from a republican state. Also this:

The best and the most democratic governments in the world happen to be constitutional monarchies, they aren't the best because they are constitutional monarchies.  Big difference.

In fact, they are still monarchies today only because they became good enough to not have enough public outcry for the odious system of monarchy to be overthrown.

I meant one wherein the monarch has actual power, as specified.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I've always thought it's a bit cruel to the monarchs themselves. The lives of the Japanese Imperial family especially.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     A country with a powerless monarch is practically no different from a republican state. Also this:

The best and the most democratic governments in the world happen to be constitutional monarchies, they aren't the best because they are constitutional monarchies.  Big difference.

In fact, they are still monarchies today only because they became good enough to not have enough public outcry for the odious system of monarchy to be overthrown.

I meant one wherein the monarch has actual power, as specified.

     You mean the elected monarchy that was being discussed above? It's not a terrible idea, but I suspect it would be prone to voter disaffection over the lack of control over the executive and corruption. There's not really any data to back that supposition up though, due to the lack of elected monarchies.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

A good despot is the best form of government. Its just that good people are a rarity,

[Leinad]

I suppose, technically. A constitutional monarch without any power is kind of pointless, so I'd prefer not but I'm fine with it if it's supported by the people. A hereditary monarch with power, or an elective monarch who is never up for re-election or has their term expire, are both bad ideas--but honestly how much worse could they be than democratically (re-)elected politicians?

[Person Man]

We don't need an elected monarch, or a hereditary monarch by Divine Right. We need a monarch who is divine themselves.

Slightly more seriously: Maybe something like the Chinese system?

Still not that serious. But wait,  people actually think that Trump is an elected King?