Hitler or Stalin: Who Was Worse

[dunn]

Hitler... the time scale is horrific... and he was only getting started...

exectly

[??????????]

What is worse is that the Roosevelt Administration pretty much knew what was going on and never publicly condemned the slaughter. That is why most Americans were shocked when they found out about the camps.

[dunn]

What is worse is that the Roosevelt Administration pretty much knew what was going on and never publicly condemned the slaughter. That is why most Americans were shocked when they found out about the camps.

true. The allies could have bombed Auswich - they knew and had the maps

[??????????]

Bombed Auswich? Wouldn't that have killed a lot of innocents? I hope you are being sarcastic.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Those other than Jews were not set up for EXTERMINATION for NO apparent reason. It is still a huge mystery to most people why he picked on them. People lose sleep over it.

I think I once heard that Hitler´s parents had anti-semitic prejudices themselves or something like that. Although they surely did not indoctrinate him to gas all Jews in his childhood, he was raised and socialized to dislike all Jews because just they are Jews. It´s the same with the Austrian right-wing populist Jörg Haider. His parents were both members of the NSDAP/Nazi party during the Third Reich.

To have anti-semitic parents doesn´t make you automatically a Nazi, but it can help a lot.

[dunn]

Bombed Auswich? Wouldn't that have killed a lot of innocents? I hope you are being sarcastic.

with 10,000 innocents gas to death daily bombing the facilities wouls probably killed dozens/hundreths that are about to die anyway and save hunderths of thousends, this offer was considered

[Middle-aged Europe]

Though I do disagree with Hitler on almost every single issue he preached I do think he helped the economy of Germany revive from the Depression. I think the whole war could have been largely avoided if the French hadn't been so pushy on the Germans demanding so much money that it bankrupt Germany. Also the French actions in the Rhineland were absolutely dispicable. The Treaty of Versaille is exactly the reason that WW2 happened.

I believe I read somewhere that Germany´s economy already began to recover when Hitler became chancellor. So, it would be the merit of the preceding governments and Hitler took just the credit.

An other argument would be that the economic boom was mainly achieved through the massive military build-up that took place in the 30ies. To rise the defense spending (in this case, it would be more a "attack spending", I suppose ) by hundreds of per cent with the goal to conquer the whole continent (world?) and to exterminate a whole religious group isn´t exactly something I would nominate someone for the Nobel prize for economics.

But I agree with you on the Treaty of Versailles, although we had probably done the same to the French, if we had been the winners of World War I.

[Gustaf]

Hitler was Austrian, Austrian anti-semitism is much older and stronger than German anti-semitism. A joke I once heard ran like this: "Austrians are the world's best PR-people. They made Hitler a German and Mozart an Austrian". That obviously doesn't explain it fully, of course.

Kodratos, are you certain that gays weren't killed b/c they were gay? I thought that was the way it was. It's true that there were many homosexuals within the Nazi ranks up-to the Night of Long Knifes, but none after that I think. And, the claims about Hitler's sexuality has never been proven, as far as I know. He was rather normal in that area I believe. He was also a vegetarian and a teetotaller. Whatever you make out of that...

[Chiahead]

When it comes to the soviet union, it really wasn't communism, it was socialism....

The basic ideals behind communism arent' that bad, just they don't work and can't be implemented.  Well, some unions of today could have communistic ideas in some cases.

[dunn]

When it comes to the soviet union, it really wasn't communism, it was socialism....

The basic ideals behind communism arent' that bad, just they don't work and can't be implemented.  Well, some unions of today could have communistic ideas in some cases.

No
it was Bolshevism

[Gustaf]

When it comes to the soviet union, it really wasn't communism, it was socialism....

The basic ideals behind communism arent' that bad, just they don't work and can't be implemented.  Well, some unions of today could have communistic ideas in some cases.

Ehhh...what? The Soviet Union was more Communist than it was socialist. I'd say Stalinist, lol.

[PBrunsel]

"One death is a tragedy, one million is a satistic."
-Josef Stalin, 1939.

[The Duke]

I think one reason Hitler's death toll is lower is that someone stood up to him.  No one ever stood up to old Joe Stalin.  I vote Hitler.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No
it was Bolshevism

True

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I think one reason Hitler's death toll is lower is that someone stood up to him.  No one ever stood up to old Joe Stalin.  I vote Hitler.

More or less my argument

[dunn]

No
it was Bolshevism

True

[Gustaf]

Good point Ford. Stalin was a Mickey Mouse fan, btw. Just to say something...

[MAS117]

Hitler, for the way he killed the Jews.

[© tweed]

Hitler...if Hitler had been in power as long as Stalin was it would be No Contest; Hitler wins death toll.

[Brambila]

People forget that Stalin also killed millions of Jews, and also Catholics, serfs, and pretty much anyone who disagreed with him including Trotsky (OUCH!).

Stalin was definately worse. However, Hitler has an identity for being worse because he admitted he was evil. Stalin just tried to hide it

[??????????]

Hitler sticks out more in history because he lost! Stalin won WW2 but if he had been overrun by the allies (which I agree w/Patton on). Then we would see Stalin in the same light.

[dunn]

People forget that Stalin also killed millions of Jews, and also Catholics, serfs, and pretty much anyone who disagreed with him including Trotsky (OUCH!).

Stalin was definately worse. However, Hitler has an identity for being worse because he admitted he was evil. Stalin just tried to hide it

Stalin ruled for 30 years, can you imagin what it would look after 30 years of Hitler?

[Gustaf]

Hitler sticks out more in history because he lost! Stalin won WW2 but if he had been overrun by the allies (which I agree w/Patton on). Then we would see Stalin in the same light.

I'm not sure that he would have. And Europe might not have survived another war. The world was pretty worn out at that time.

[Gustaf]

Oh, and I have finally made up my mind.

I vote Stalin, since he was more effective. Sure, Hitler was bad for his short period of time, but it's significant that he lasted such few years. Hitler messed up, Stalin didn't.

[??????????]

We should run a Poll on Pol Pot or Ho Chi Minh or Kim Jung IL!