Democrats should dissolve certain state parties

[Cashew]

If Democrats are going to double down on social liberalism, and give up on a 50 state strategy, many state parties should just abolish themselves for being useless and allow a competitive opposition party to rise. For example in Tennessee the Democratic party is dead, why not just allow a local left wing party to compete with republicans statewide, unhindered by the pressures of the national party and seize the state legislature?

 The party could have a CDU/CSU kind of relationship with the national party.

[Bigby]

By that logic, should the Republicans disband in areas such as California and D.C.?

[Cashew]

By that logic, should the Republicans disband in areas such as California and D.C.?

I personally would love it if a viable center right party rose up in California, and gave the state a competitive 2 party system, unhindered by pressure from conservatives in the rest of the country.

[Thunderbird is the word]

terrible idea, it takes time for third parties to rise up and in most of those places there's still a good 30-35% of the population at least that you'd be leaving without representation.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

You could make make it similar to the Canadian party system, where provinces have entirely different parties to the national ones (aside from the NDP). It may be that America's unique system of party Identity would hinder such a set-up.

[I’m not Stu]

You could make make it similar to the Canadian party system, where provinces have entirely different parties to the national ones (aside from the NDP). It may be that America's unique system of party Identity would hinder such a set-up.

That is a good idea. It should be that way.

[Santander]

No, the blue state Democrat Parties need to rename themselves as Communist Parties.

[Crumpets]

No, the blue state Democrat Parties need to rename themselves as Communist Parties.

Who knew the way to win the cold war was to get Martha Coakley to run as General Secretary of the Soviet Union?!

[NeverAgain]

No, the blue state Democrat Parties need to rename themselves as Communist Parties.

Who knew the way to win the cold war was to get Martha Coakley to run as General Secretary of the Soviet Union?!

And as we all know, her stunning loss to Premier Literally a bag of manure, no I am serious, that's her opponent, shocked the nation into submission to an actual Democracy. Oh, Martha.

[RINO Tom]

No, the blue state Democrat Parties need to rename themselves as Communist Parties.

And the red state Democratic Parties need to rename themselves "Also Communist but grits and Jesus, too."

[LLR]

God, I feel clichéd for saying this again and again, but this is what I hate about many Democrats. Red-state democrats are still people. In many of these states, we hold house seats, or have in the past. We dissolve any state parties, we kiss our chances of ever winning the house goodbye. We need to try to win rural voters, not give up.

And hell, we also can basically say goodbye to the Senate, because where the hell would we be without our Manchins and Heitkamps? It's a terrible strategy both in terms of winning houses of Congress and in terms of attitude. This rhetoric annoys me immensely. Don't fall in this trap. We don't want another Akin moment to happen to some red-state senator, only to find ourselves with no legitimate candidates and a wasted opportunity.

[RINO Tom]

By that logic, should the Republicans disband in areas such as California and D.C.?

I personally would love it if a viable center right party rose up in California, and gave the state a competitive 2 party system, unhindered by pressure from conservatives in the rest of the country.

Well, even ten years ago state parties didn't seem to feel that much pressure from the national parties and tailored their candidates to local races ... so the parties should just stop being stupid and do that again...?  Doesn't take a whole lot for the DNC to run a bunch of ads in Arkansas talking about how "Arkansas Democrats are your father's Democrats, not Chuck Schumer's Democrats," they just don't want to.

[LLR]

By that logic, should the Republicans disband in areas such as California and D.C.?

I personally would love it if a viable center right party rose up in California, and gave the state a competitive 2 party system, unhindered by pressure from conservatives in the rest of the country.

Well, even ten years ago state parties didn't seem to feel that much pressure from the national parties and tailored their candidates to local races ... so the parties should just stop being stupid and do that again...?  Doesn't take a whole lot for the DNC to run a bunch of ads in Arkansas talking about how "Arkansas Democrats are your father's Democrats, not Chuck Schumer's Democrats," they just don't want to.

This, exactly. Of course Wyoming Democrats should be more conservative than Oregon Republicans. Is that true? No way, José! Look, the Democratic message of "peace, love, and understanding" (thanks Elvis Costello) is one that a lot of people can get behind. If we campaigned on that, but tailored it to fit each state's definition of those words, that would be a hella strong 50 state strategy. We may call ourselves a big tent party, but we got 21% in Wyoming. Our tent has  a hole, folks. A big hole. And this plan Cashew has set up will only make the hole bigger. Hell, our tent might light up in flames at this rate. The only solution is to push an early Obama policy of inclusivity, and deliver it to each state and each community's needs. Not to give up.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

tbh I wouldn't be opposed to this plan with some minor simplifications

Democrats ... should just abolish themselves for being useless and allow a competitive opposition party to rise.

[OSR stands with Israel]

By that logic, should the Republicans disband in areas such as California and D.C.?

I personally would love it if a viable center right party rose up in California, and gave the state a competitive 2 party system, unhindered by pressure from conservatives in the rest of the country.

Well, even ten years ago state parties didn't seem to feel that much pressure from the national parties and tailored their candidates to local races ... so the parties should just stop being stupid and do that again...?  Doesn't take a whole lot for the DNC to run a bunch of ads in Arkansas talking about how "Arkansas Democrats are your father's Democrats, not Chuck Schumer's Democrats," they just don't want to.

This, exactly. Of course Wyoming Democrats should be more conservative than Oregon Republicans. Is that true? No way, José! Look, the Democratic message of "peace, love, and understanding" (thanks Elvis Costello) is one that a lot of people can get behind. If we campaigned on that, but tailored it to fit each state's definition of those words, that would be a hella strong 50 state strategy. We may call ourselves a big tent party, but we got 21% in Wyoming. Our tent has  a hole, folks. A big hole. And this plan Cashew has set up will only make the hole bigger. Hell, our tent might light up in flames at this rate. The only solution is to push an early Obama policy of inclusivity, and deliver it to each state and each community's needs. Not to give up.

Oregon republicans are prob to the right texas republicans. Dennis Richardson is to the right of Bush and Perry. I mean most of their republicans live in super right wing areas in Oregon. And other then environmental regulations Oregon policy wise is moderate(we rejected a tax hike this year, Richardson won sec of state election, we basically have a flat income tax, Oregon is an open carry state(http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Oregon-Gun-Laws.htm)  , ). If Oregon could find moderate republicans like Gordon Smith we could win statewide elections once again

[Thunderbird is the word]

God, I feel clichéd for saying this again and again, but this is what I hate about many Democrats. Red-state democrats are still people. In many of these states, we hold house seats, or have in the past. We dissolve any state parties, we kiss our chances of ever winning the house goodbye. We need to try to win rural voters, not give up.

And hell, we also can basically say goodbye to the Senate, because where the hell would we be without our Manchins and Heitkamps? It's a terrible strategy both in terms of winning houses of Congress and in terms of attitude. This rhetoric annoys me immensely. Don't fall in this trap. We don't want another Akin moment to happen to some red-state senator, only to find ourselves with no legitimate candidates and a wasted opportunity.

Exactly

[Figueira]

Republicans can win gubernatorial elections in Massachusetts, Maryland, and Vermont. Democrats should be able to win gubernatorial elections in Tennessee, Nebraska, and Idaho.

[Enduro]

Yes, and Republicans should leave predominately liberal states, so libertarians will have less statewide competition.

[Devout Centrist]

tbh I wouldn't be opposed to this plan with some minor simplifications

Democrats ... should just abolish themselves for being useless and allow God Emperor Trump to kill all the cucks and sjw's in the world

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Yes, and Republicans should leave predominately liberal states, so libertarians will have less statewide competition.

This is like saying "the Democrats should abolish themselves in West Virginia to give the Greens a good run".

[Enduro]

Yes, and Republicans should leave predominately liberal states, so libertarians will have less statewide competition.

This is like saying "the Democrats should abolish themselves in West Virginia to give the Greens a good run".

Your point is?

[Devout Centrist]

Yes, and Republicans should leave predominately liberal states, so libertarians will have less statewide competition.

This is like saying "the Democrats should abolish themselves in West Virginia to give the Greens a good run".

Your point is?

The Mountain Party ain't gonna do sh*t

[Derpist]

You could make make it similar to the Canadian party system, where provinces have entirely different parties to the national ones (aside from the NDP). It may be that America's unique system of party Identity would hinder such a set-up.

It's not just party identity. It's the federal judiciary. We have a political system where the President appoints life-tenure magistrates to administer the provinces. Local parties just aren't viable. A country with a left-wing federal government and a variety of center-right localist parties is essentially just going to be a left-wing country (or vice versa) because of the federal judiciary coming in and doing what they feel like doing.

In Canada of course, a provincial legislature doesn't have to defer to federal courts on a variety of issues. Which is why Quebec hasn't gone buckwild.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Republicans can win gubernatorial elections in Massachusetts, Maryland, and Vermont. Democrats should be able to win gubernatorial elections in Tennessee, Nebraska, and Idaho.

Democrats hold the governorships of Louisiana, West Virginia, and Montana (just as "wrong" as Massachusetts, Maryland, and Vermont).

[I’m not Stu]

Republicans can win gubernatorial elections in Massachusetts, Maryland, and Vermont. Democrats should be able to win gubernatorial elections in Tennessee, Nebraska, and Idaho.

Democrats hold the governorships of Louisiana, West Virginia, and Montana (just as "wrong" as Massachusetts, Maryland, and Vermont).

Also North Carolina, although it isn't as solidly Republican as LA, WV, and MT.