Turkey referendum, 2017

[Zinneke]

Expat vote via Europe Elects

Italy
Yes: 32%
No: 68%

Spain
Yes: 19%
No: 81%

Austria
Yes: 74%
No: 26%

UK
Yes: 20%
No: 80%

Greece
Yes: 34%
No: 66%

Hungary
Yes: 23%
No: 77%

Sweden
Yes: 37%
No: 63%

Netherlands
Yes: 71%
No: 29%

Would like to see Belgium, although I have a pretty good idea how it will turn out.

[Zinneke]

what will eu do now

Freeze the accession process, that was de facto frozen anyway.

So nothing basically.

[Zinneke]

the truth is, as usual, in the mid.

those turks who are austrians, germans etc aren't allowed anymore to vote anyway.

We hold a partial responsibility too.

I've never seen any of the Right actually pamphlet against Erdogan or radical Islam in my neighbourhoods nor spend hours in surgeries listening to Kurdish refugees like some of the councillors do. Instead they have a dog whistle at the ready.

And the Left gave up and went into full clientelist mode with the Muslim community in Brussels.

Its a disgrace, but we shouldn't take lectures from the Americans about religious freedom and paralell communities.

[Zinneke]

To be honest, all this ordeal proves to me is that Western Europe is, culturally and socially, just a much worse fit than countries like the US or Canada for the assimilation of immigrants.

Are you saying our societies are structurally designed to not be able to integrate/assimilate immigrants, compared to the US or Canada? Rather than the evident historical and geographical factors at work here?

[Zinneke]

To be honest, all this ordeal proves to me is that Western Europe is, culturally and socially, just a much worse fit than countries like the US or Canada for the assimilation of immigrants.

Are you saying our societies are structurally designed to not be able to integrate/assimilate immigrants, compared to the US or Canada? Rather than the evident historical and geographical factors at work here?

Multiculturalism vs. Integration.

Britain has been the number 1 proponent of multiculturalism, at least in terms of policy.

[Zinneke]

Just watch, Erdogan will be deposed in a Ukrainian-style revolution. He lost big in Istanbul and his Islamist ideas are not popular in that massive city. Istanbul will rise up, Erdogan will dispatch the police and military on them, he will look bad once people are killed and he will eventually flee the country after a few month. Just like Yanukovych

What you described already happened with the military coup, and Erdogan turned it into a massive PR victory with members of the CHP alongside him.

Will never forget that video of a suburb in Ankara where they unfold a massive banner of Erdogan across their apartment block while chanting. Just scary.