Turkey referendum, 2017

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Which will then be readjusted to 48.5%.

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RIP Turkey, you had a good run.

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Why are expats so overwhelmingly pro-Erdogan? That doesn't really make sense to me.

Cause they're mostly found in the lower echelons of society. They define themselves through their Turkish nationalism.

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Istanbul
50.1 yes
49.9 no

87% counted

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I guess the Turkish expat vote will eventually win it for Erdogan. I feel bad for the real Turks that will actually have to live in Erdoganistan.

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There are what...6 million votes left? And "no" is trailing by 2 so I don't see this happening.

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Don't see the "no" vote up anywhere so what are you/they talking about?

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Support for the "yes" vote:



https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/853652875486081024

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what will eu do now

Open a new accession chapter? At least that's what Merkel probably wants.

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germany, austria, france, belgium and netherlands shoudn't have allowed that turks create parallel society in their countries

I think what you meant to say was that these countries allowed a vibrant culture to flourish and enrich the local one.

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To be honest, all this ordeal proves to me is that Western Europe is, culturally and socially, just a much worse fit than countries like the US or Canada for the assimilation of immigrants.

I'd say there are too many other factors to consider. The US kept its doors for immigrants closed for a long time which for example ultimately forced immigrants to intermarry and integrate. Many of the immigrant success stories in the US also date from an era when immigrants essentially completely cut ties with the ancestral homeland.

Turks that came to Germany always kept one foot back home. These days it's entirely possible to live in Europe but still for all intents and purposes keep yourself confined to an Algerian, Turkish etc. environment through social media and what not. And they absolutely love to find a partner from a similar background. Intermarriage rates among Muslims in Europe are horrifyingly low.

You are of course right in a variety of ways though. There is a difference between a settler colony and countries that define themselves ethnically.

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So is there any chance for a reversal at some point in the future? Like if Turkey's economy tanks, a credible opposition force emerges, wins the presidency, majority in parliament and decides to once again chance the constitution. Or is Turkey gone for good?