Jill Stein recount requests

[RI]

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/12/03/wisconsin-recount-officials-just-found-five-counting-machines-tampered-seals/

http://www.snopes.com/wisconsin-recount-observers-find-voting-machines-broken-seals/

[MT Treasurer]

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/12/03/wisconsin-recount-officials-just-found-five-counting-machines-tampered-seals/

http://www.snopes.com/wisconsin-recount-observers-find-voting-machines-broken-seals/

Yeah, the idea that Hillary Clinton of all people would let this happen is pretty ridiculous. In 2004 they said Kerry let Bush steal the election because they were both members of Skull and Bones/the Illuminati/etc. Do these guys really think the "elite" wants Trump, lol? This is a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

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http://www.snopes.com/wisconsin-recount-observers-find-voting-machines-broken-seals/

this is "not enough proof that these pictures are from where they claim to be", not "fake" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[RI]

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/12/03/wisconsin-recount-officials-just-found-five-counting-machines-tampered-seals/

http://www.snopes.com/wisconsin-recount-observers-find-voting-machines-broken-seals/

this is "not enough proof", not "fake" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sure, but they show a lot of reasons to doubt the "reports." Even if it were correct, it's only about the recount machines, not the original machines used.

[DPKdebator]

I never even saw the point of Stein doing this in the first place, and this view has cemented considering the fact that Trump's margins have increased by... a few dozen votes.

[Pandaguineapig]

I saw her interview with Chris Wallace, God this woman is incoherent

[jimrtex]

Fourth Day:

Mostly they are onesies and twosies.

Dane is +28 for Clinton, but that includes +18 from one ward in the city of Monona. Madison is not recounted/reported yet. Drop out Monona, and it is conceivable that Trump is increasing his vote share. Monona provided an explanation that they had found 12 unopened ballots in an envelope.

In the 2000 recount in Florida, the inept Gore campaign concentrated on counties that favored Gore such as Palm Beach, based on the theory that hanging chads were somewhat random. There would be more hanging Gore chads where there were more Gore votes. Only later did they latch on to Butterfly Ballot, etc. Had they gone with a statewide recount, they might have won. So far Dane appears to be favorable to Clinton, but Washington is favorable to Trump.
Fond du Lac reported that they were missing 13 absentee envelopes. In a process described as a "draw-down" both candidates lost votes. Under some election laws, if you have more ballots in a ballot box than you had voters, you randomly select ballots to be removed from the count.
Iowa County. The recount for the Village of Barneveld had been entered in the spreadsheet row for the Village of Avoca, giving the appearance of a large shift to Clinton. This has been corrected.
Manitowoc/Town of Centerville. A note says that a bag with 24 ballots was not counted on election day. But the town was 70% Trump, and it appears that the bag was 24-0 Clinton. It sounds like something like the Maine recount.
Milwaukee

The city of Milwaukee is recounting their absentees separately from election day ballots, and Clinton is down about 15,000 votes.

The city of St.Francis shows a change from:

Trump 3634: Clinton 3576 (original)
Trump 2002: Clinton 2676 (recount)
Trump 1632: Clinton 900 (loss)

The lost votes are 65% Trump. I suspect they may originally have run absentee ballots through the scanners twice. The recount looks more like Johnson Feingold and 2012

Johnson 2202: Feingold 2657
Romney 2296: Obama 2977

And the trend looks similar to Cudahy. A city tucked in between the airport and a city named after a meatpacker is likely not the leafiest of suburbs.

So this may be the first real change, about +732 to Clinton.
Ozaukee

The Village of Newburg reported a change from 1 Trump:8 Clinton to 30 Trump:8 Clinton. The recount result is consistent with the senate and 2012 results, so it appears that these were uncounted ballots.

A quirk of Wisconsin is that elections are conducted by towns, cities, and villages, and then canvassed by county. Most of Newburg is in Washington County, so it looks like they simply forgot to count/report many of the presidential votes in Ozaukee County. The total vote count in Ozaukee went from 16 to 45 votes. 633 votes were cast in Washington County.
Racine

The city of Racine reported 13 missed ballots because of incorrect marking device. This appears to be a report for a single precinct, that went from 507 Clinton:24 Trump, to 520 Clinton: 24 Trump (i.e a ward that was reported as 95.5% Clinton, was actually 95.6% Clinton).

This is possibly a more general problem, as Clinton has picked up 33 votes in 7 wards recounted. But the lowest-numbered wards also appear to be the most inner city.
Walworth.

Town of La Grange: Gain of +63 Trump, +81 Clinton, +10 Johnson provides a better match to the senate race, both for candidates and votes cast.
Washburn.

Town of Bashaw +31 Trump due to error in original certification.
Washington

Lot's of small changes add up to +18 Trump. Very few recounts are in from Waukesha, so there may be a similar pattern there.

Summary: The big change so far is for St.Francis. Because it is is Milwaukee County, it may have been missed by the media.

[bandg]

Regarding the St. Francis results.

It appears that in the original count, the results for St. Francis were switched with those from South Milwaukee. South Milwaukee is right above St. Francis in the spreadsheet. You can see that the new recount results from St. Francis match exactly the original results from South Milwaukee. So overall, the vote totals should remain roughly the same when South Milwaukee reports their recount results.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-staffer-brandon-hall-michigan-guilty-election-fraud-a7449046.html

specific charges are from 2012, but it's telling regardless

[zorkpolitics]

Day 4 and the madness continues.
43% of the votes recounted and (excluding Milwaukee due to lack of absentees) we have the following:
Trump gained 84
Clinton gained 63
Stein gained  10

 Trump gained a net 21 votes

[Pandaguineapig]

I can only imagine how stupid the people who donated to Stein hoping to uncover a massive Russian hacking plot must feel now

[Kolip1]

DONT BE SHILL vote JILL!

[jimrtex]

Regarding the St. Francis results.

It appears that in the original count, the results for St. Francis were switched with those from South Milwaukee. South Milwaukee is right above St. Francis in the spreadsheet. You can see that the new recount results from St. Francis match exactly the original results from South Milwaukee. So overall, the vote totals should remain roughly the same when South Milwaukee reports their recount results.

Yes.  The Day 5 spreadsheet moved the St.Francis votes to South Milwaukee.

[jimrtex]

After the 5th Day:

The recount votes for South Milwaukee had been placed in rows corresponding to St.Francis, which gave the appearance of a big drop in St. Francis votes. That has been corrected.

There is a note about Hales Corner in Milwaukee County being checked. It showed a drop of 255 votes in one of three precincts. The original counts better match the senate results and the 2012 presidential results.

The original results showed 38, 17, and 28 fewer votes in the presidential race than the senate race (i.e there were deliberate undervotes or write-ins for president). The tentative recount would make the difference 38, 16, and 483. So clearly the recount is wrong.

Overall:

Trump has increased his margin in 30 counties by 222 votes, and Clinton has increased her margin in 27 counties by 200 votes.

There were confirmed errors in the certified results from Village of Newburg, Ozaukee; and Town of Bashaw, Washburn, the corrected versions increased Trump's margin by 60+.

There were a dozen uncounted votes in City of Monona, Dane; and about 13-40 wrong marker votes in City of Racine, Racine that were generally favorable to Clinton.

Nothing is reported from Green Bay, Madison, La Crosse, Sheboygan, and Wausau. They may be recounting and going to report everything at once. Eau Claire and Kenosha have limited reporting.

It is conceivable that there will be marker problems similar to Racine in other locations. This may favor Clinton, since they may not be able to follow instructions.

Milwaukee is counting election-day votes separately from absentee ballots. So far 31.9% of Trump votes and 42.2% of Clinton votes have been recovered. The difference is probably due to the recounted wards being lower-numbered, more inner city, and more Clinton. The recounted wards were originally 86% Clinton (two-way), the un-recounted wards were only 74% Clinton.

Milwaukee Ward 34 shows a big jump for Trump, which matches the senate and 2012 results.

The original returns were Trump 8, Clinton 795. The recount (with absentee not included is Trump 198:Clinton 588. The Senate results were Johnson 291:Clinton 763; and 2012 results with 981 Obama, 314 Romney.

Summary: Trump up by about 200 statewide.

[Matty]

any updates?

[bandg]

Wisconsin Recount

A bunch of counties completed their recounts today. 23/72 counties have finished.

In those counties, Trump has gained 89 votes, while Clinton has lost 61 votes, for a net gain of 150 votes for Trump. Madison and Milwaukee have not finished though, so Clinton should gain some when those are complete.

[jman123]

PA judge set hearing for Friday on Stein recount in federal court

[dax00]

excluding the city of milwaukee:
trump +139
clinton +142
castle +18
johnson +42
stein +50
moorehead +9
de la fuente -7

[jimrtex]

After the 6th Day:

Recount from Village of Hales Corner, Milwaukee have been corrected.

Overall:

Trump has increased his margin in 28 counties by 280 votes, and Clinton has increased her margin in 31 counties by 284 votes. 12 counties have no net change.

There were confirmed errors in the certified results from Village of Newburg, Ozaukee; and Town of Bashaw, Washburn, the corrected versions increased Trump's margin by 60+.

There were a dozen uncounted votes in City of Monona, Dane; and about 13-40 wrong marker votes in City of Racine, Racine that were generally favorable to Clinton.

Nothing reported from Bayfield and Rusk counties. Votes are beginning to trickle in from some larger cities:

(note, the following are from the predominant county)

Green Bay 12/47 wards, +3 Clinton
Chippewa Falls no report
Madison 2/138 wards, No change
Eau Claire 11/64 wards, +8 Clinton
Kenosha 21/92 wards, +3 Clinton
La Crosse, 18/34, No net change.
Wausau, no report
Franklin, no report
Greenfield, no report
Wauwatosa, no report
West Allis, no report
Appleton, complete, +11 Trump
Racine, 25/36, +60 Clinton (apparently due to incorrect markers)
Beloit, no report
Janesville, no report
Sheboygan 26/32, +9 Clinton
Muskego, no report
New Berlin, no report
Waukesha, no report
Menomonee Falls (village), no report

Note that within a particular city, most changes are either mostly +, indicating ballots that were interpreted as valid votes during the recount (perhaps missed by a scanner, but caught during a hand count); or mostly -, indicating ballots that could not be reproduced during the recount (perhaps spurious marks, or corrections that were counted as valid votes).

Completed Counties

Adams, +8 Trump (includes confirmed correction +8 Trump in Town of Springville)
Ashland, 0 (Ashland reported no changes)
Barron, +2 Clinton
Buffalo, +4 Trump
Columbia, +2 Trump
Crawford, +2 Clinton
Dodge, +8 Clinton
Door, +8 Trump
Florence, +2 Trump
Green, 0 (Green reported no changes)
Iron, +11 Clinton
Langlade, +52 Trump (includes confirmed correction of +40 Trump in Town of Rolling)
Menominee, +1 Clinton
Ozaukee, +32 Trump (includes confirmed correction of +29 Trump in Village of Newburg)
Polk, 0 (this is somewhat indicative of the entire process. The net of zero, includes changes to 11 of 37 precincts).
Price, +1 Clinton
Sauk, +9 Trump
Shawano, 0 (this is likely in error, previously Shawano had reported 10 changes, now there are none).
St.Croix, +1 Trump
Walworth, +8 Trump (including confirmed correction of +3 Clinton in Town of Whitewater)
Washburn, +34 Trump (including confirmed correction of +32 Trump in Town of Bashaw).

Other confirmed errors,

Dane, City of Monona (+18 Clinton)
Dane, City of Fitchburg (+6 Clinton)
Eau Claire, Town of Brunswick (+3 Clinton)
Eau Claire, Town of Seymour (+3 Clinton)
Eau Claire, City of Eau Claire (+3 Clinton)
Oddly all three corrections in the county were 7 Clinton, 4 Trump, +3 Clinton
Manitowoc, Town of Centerville (+25 Clinton)
Sheboygan, City of Plymouth (+5 Trump)
Vernon, City of Viroqua (+13 Clinton)

There were also three draw-downs for irregular absentee ballots. Since the ballots were pulled and counted, it can't be determined which they were, so they eliminate ballots by lot. This may have a bias, if absentee ballots without proper witnessing are more likely to be Democratic.

214 of 325 wards of the City of Milwaukee have been recounted. The recount is now more balanced.
Clinton received 82.1% of the original vote in the recounted wards, and 77.5% in the non-recounted wards. In the recounted wards, Trump has recovered 82.3% of his vote, compared to 72.0% for Clinton. There appears to have been a larger share of the Clinton vote cast absentee.

This may reflect the the reason Clinton lost Wisconsin - election day enthusiasm. Someone who always votes may have become accustomed to voting absentee since they became older, or more infirm, or unable to drive. Absentee voting requires some preparation.

Election day voting requires some activity to get to the polling place. Some voters just won't get around to voting. They will have told a pollster that they were likely to vote, but went out to dinner after work, and forgot to vote. They will report to the census (1) that they voted; (2) had a sick relative; (3) were out of town; (4) didn't like the candidates; or (5) the dog ate my driver's license, shoes, pants, or car. A voter who is enthusiastic for his candidate will walk uphill 10 miles both ways in the snow, even if the polling place is 1/4 mile away and it is sunny.

Milwaukee Ward 34 shows a big jump for Trump, which matches the senate and 2012 results.

The original returns were Trump 8, Clinton 795. The recount (with absentee not included is Trump 198:Clinton 588. The Senate results were Johnson 291:Clinton 763; and 2012 results with 981 Obama, 314 Romney.

Summary: Trump up by about 200 statewide.

[Bigby]

Hillary is probably going to have Jill Stein killed now.

[ApatheticAustrian]

i am happy with that outcome.

decreases the doubt on the left, underlines how close this whole thing was and makes stein go away...hopefully.

[mistertheplague]

Hillary is probably going to have Jill Stein killed now.

Given that her vote totals in WI, MI, and PA cover Trump's updated MOV in those states, there are roughly 66 million Clinton voters who'd be happy to help.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

http://www.eclectablog.com/2016/12/michigan-presidential-recount-update-its-getting-very-very-ugly.html

[Nym90]

http://www.eclectablog.com/2016/12/michigan-presidential-recount-update-its-getting-very-very-ugly.html

The fact that the Trump campaign is desperate to stop the recounts is proof positive that they should be allowed to go forward.

I don't expect anything to change, but if Trump and his lackeys were confident that there weren't shenanigans, you would think they would be fine with the recount proceeding so as to prove their victory.

[RI]

http://www.eclectablog.com/2016/12/michigan-presidential-recount-update-its-getting-very-very-ugly.html

The fact that the Trump campaign is desperate to stop the recounts is proof positive that they should be allowed to go forward.

I don't expect anything to change, but if Trump and his lackeys were confident that there weren't shenanigans, you would think they would be fine with the recount proceeding so as to prove their victory.

Or they're worried the count will take longer than the Dec. 13th deadline and potentially disenfranchise the state.