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« on: July 04, 2005, 07:56:07 PM »
Would you say each of these presidents was while he was in office, on a scale of 1 to 5, the most popular being 5?

Might need to divide some presidencies into different time periods...

William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
William Taft
Woodrow Wilson
Warren Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Hoover
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2005, 08:18:32 PM »
McKinley - 3
Roosevelt - 5
Taft - 2
Wilson - 2
Harding - 2
Coolidge - 3
Hoover - 1
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2005, 08:29:20 PM »
I read Coolidge was very popular.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2005, 08:35:23 PM »
William McKinley- 5, strong economy, successful war
Theodore Roosevelt- 5, everyone loved TR
William Taft- 2, misundestood and disliked due to slander by Teddy.
Woodrow Wilson- 3, too polarizing a figure for some
Warren Harding- 5, loved by all by restoring "normalacy".
Calvin Coolidge- 5, liked by all due to strong economy
Herbert Hoover- 2, liked at first, and never really hated by a majority of Americans.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2005, 09:09:15 PM »
William McKinley 4
Theodore Roosevelt 5
William Taft 2 (possibly 1)
Woodrow Wilson 3
Warren Harding 2 (especially toward the end)
Calvin Coolidge 4
Herbert Hoover 1

Of these six, two died in office and the third became seriously disabled.  I would expect that barring that, I would expect Mckinley, Roosevelt, and Coolidge to have won re-election, had the won.  Taft, Hoover lost re-election and Harding probably would have.

A healthy Wilson is a question mark; could he have won in 1920?  Very possibly.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2005, 09:13:35 PM »
McKinley did win re-election. Or do you mean for a third term?
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2005, 09:38:04 PM »
Quote from: Aniquile Seguridad Social on July 04, 2005, 09:13:35 PM
McKinley did win re-election. Or do you mean for a third term?

1904, a third term.  It actually stunned many people when TR declined to run in 1908, which would have given him about 11 years in office.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2005, 02:39:47 PM »
Quote from: J. J. on July 04, 2005, 09:09:15 PM
A healthy Wilson is a question mark; could he have won in 1920?  Very possibly.

Um, Wilson would have been crushed. It was his unpopularity and voter opposition to the League of Nations that ushered in the Republican 1920s.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2005, 06:37:27 PM »
Quote from: Aniquile Seguridad Social on July 06, 2005, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: J. J. on July 04, 2005, 09:09:15 PM
A healthy Wilson is a question mark; could he have won in 1920?  Very possibly.

Um, Wilson would have been crushed. It was his unpopularity and voter opposition to the League of Nations that ushered in the Republican 1920s.

And a GOP landslide at that. Even Champ Clark, former House Speaker, was defeated in his run for another term in 1920.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2005, 06:40:55 PM »
William McKinley: 5
Theodore Roosevelt: 5
William Taft: 1
Woodrow Wilson: 2
Warren Harding: 5
Calvin Coolidge: 4
Herbert Hoover: 1
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2005, 06:45:58 PM »
« Edited: July 06, 2005, 07:06:37 PM by Senator PBrunsel »
Quote from: Goldwater on July 06, 2005, 06:40:55 PM
William McKinley: 5
Theodore Roosevelt: 5
William Taft: 1
Woodrow Wilson: 2
Warren Harding: 5
Calvin Coolidge: 4
Herbert Hoover: 1

This is the best list i've seen so far.

Finally someone who understands that Harding was a popular President. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2005, 06:54:58 PM »
William McKinley 4
Theodore Roosevelt 5
William Taft 2
Woodrow Wilson 4
Warren Harding 3
Calvin Coolidge 4
Herbert Hoover 3
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2005, 07:04:49 PM »
Quote from: Senator PBrunsel on July 06, 2005, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: Goldwater on July 06, 2005, 06:40:55 PM
William McKinley: 5
Theodore Roosevelt: 5
William Taft: 1
Woodrow Wilson: 2
Warren Harding: 5
Calvin Coolidge: 4
Herbert Hoover: 1

This is the best list i've seen so far.

Finally someone who understands that Haring was a popular President. Smiley

Thank you. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2005, 09:56:24 PM »
Quote from: Goldwater on July 06, 2005, 07:04:49 PM
Quote from: Senator PBrunsel on July 06, 2005, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: Goldwater on July 06, 2005, 06:40:55 PM
William McKinley: 5
Theodore Roosevelt: 5
William Taft: 1
Woodrow Wilson: 2
Warren Harding: 5
Calvin Coolidge: 4
Herbert Hoover: 1

This is the best list i've seen so far.

Finally someone who understands that Haring was a popular President. Smiley

Thank you. Smiley

Your welcome. You seem to know your history and I salute you for that.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2005, 10:07:57 PM »
Quote from: Senator PBrunsel on July 06, 2005, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Goldwater on July 06, 2005, 07:04:49 PM
Quote from: Senator PBrunsel on July 06, 2005, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: Goldwater on July 06, 2005, 06:40:55 PM
William McKinley: 5
Theodore Roosevelt: 5
William Taft: 1
Woodrow Wilson: 2
Warren Harding: 5
Calvin Coolidge: 4
Herbert Hoover: 1

This is the best list i've seen so far.

Finally someone who understands that Haring was a popular President. Smiley

Thank you. Smiley

Your welcome. You seem to know your history and I salute you for that.

He's Australian and he knows US Presidential popularity better than any of us!
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2005, 10:10:51 PM »
Quote from: ilikeverin on July 06, 2005, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: Senator PBrunsel on July 06, 2005, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Goldwater on July 06, 2005, 07:04:49 PM
Quote from: Senator PBrunsel on July 06, 2005, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: Goldwater on July 06, 2005, 06:40:55 PM
William McKinley: 5
Theodore Roosevelt: 5
William Taft: 1
Woodrow Wilson: 2
Warren Harding: 5
Calvin Coolidge: 4
Herbert Hoover: 1

This is the best list i've seen so far.

Finally someone who understands that Haring was a popular President. Smiley

Thank you. Smiley

Your welcome. You seem to know your history and I salute you for that.

He's Australian and he knows US Presidential popularity better than any of us!

That is not true. Everyone here has at least a minimal knowledge of our Chief Executive. Most have an exceptional knowledge of our Presidents.
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2005, 10:14:30 PM »
Uh, Bob/Goldwater is not Australian.
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2005, 11:45:11 AM »

Oops, I-OR avatar threw me off Angry
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2005, 02:21:08 PM »
How do historians measure the popularity of presidents? Were there any kind of reliable polls?
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2005, 06:09:07 PM »
Quote from: Sic semper tyrannis on July 07, 2005, 02:21:08 PM
How do historians measure the popularity of presidents? Were there any kind of reliable polls?

Polls mean little. You have to know the issues that sorrounded a Preident and the national "mood" or perhaps even "malaise."
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2005, 06:28:44 PM »
Uh, what people think means little? We're talking about popularity here.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2005, 06:46:17 PM »
Quote from: Sic semper tyrannis on July 07, 2005, 06:28:44 PM
Uh, what people think means little? We're talking about popularity here.

The national "mood" is what makes a President popular or unpopular. His policies reflect or repel the national mood.

That Malaise Speech" of 1979 is a good example. Carter was not popular, but he informed us that he was not through his "Malaise Speech."

Harding was popular. He promised a "Return to Normalcy." He was saying that he would have a presidency without major Progressive Reform [spare the first executive written budget] or international intervention. After WWI and the Progressive Era, the nation was ready for that. His low key Presidency that was "in touch" with the regular man was what made him popular.
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2005, 07:02:32 PM »
What was the first executive written budget?

What you list are the REASONS they were popular, but public opinion is the actual popularity.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2005, 07:07:21 PM »
Quote from: Sic semper tyrannis on July 07, 2005, 07:02:32 PM
What was the first executive written budget?

What you list are the REASONS they were popular, but public opinion is the actual popularity.

To your first question:

I said that in a strange way. I meant the first budget the President edited and presented to the Congress. Harding was the first to do that. What he put in it I am not sure of.

Reasons they were popular leads to those polling numbers, so I feel I answered your question in a satisfactory way.
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2005, 07:09:02 PM »
If McKinley was so popular, how come he never got more than 52% of the vote?

That's why you need poll numbers to confirm that he was popular.
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