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« on: September 08, 2016, 11:14:43 AM »

http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/9_8_2016_north_carolina_tables_updated.pdf

Trump: 44%
Clinton: 41%
Johnson: 4%
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2016, 11:18:27 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2016, 11:20:00 AM »

This is about even when taking the pollster's R historical bias into account, so this is in line with other polls we have seen.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2016, 11:21:37 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2016, 11:22:13 AM »

NC should be close at the moment given a 2012-level national polling lead, and margin of error should result in polls like this sometimes. Not an unexpected result.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2016, 11:23:36 AM »

But clearly SC is a Tossup, amirite guys?

SC was understandably close when Clinton had a larger national lead. It makes sense that as her national polling lead narrows, some states grow further away.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2016, 11:27:17 AM »

If Hillary rebounds, and I think she will, NC will flip back. If not, we're looking at 2012 map again.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2016, 11:28:12 AM »

Great Poll!
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2016, 11:29:47 AM »

This puts NC about 6 points to the right of the country. In 2012, it was that was as well. It is a discouraging poll, but it just came after a poll that had Clinton running at the national average.
If Hillary rebounds, and I think she will, NC will flip back. If not, we're looking at 2012 map again.
I think that and Iowa might fall, too. I think Nevada will be OK. ME-02 might be surprising.
So, Clinton would be at 325?  
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2016, 11:30:20 AM »

This takes NC to slight Rep on the Atlas map.
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2016, 11:33:56 AM »

This puts NC about 6 points to the right of the country. In 2012, it was that was as well. It is a discouraging poll, but it just came after a poll that had Clinton running at the national average.
If Hillary rebounds, and I think she will, NC will flip back. If not, we're looking at 2012 map again.
I think that and Iowa might fall, too. I think Nevada will be OK. ME-02 might be surprising.
So, Clinton would be at 325?  

A comfortable, if disappointing electoral victory.
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2016, 11:50:40 AM »
« Edited: September 08, 2016, 11:52:19 AM by Castro »

Among those who didn't pick Clinton or Trump: "Who would be your second choice if it were between Republican Donald Trump or Democrat Hillary Clinton?"

Clinton - 63%
Trump - 11%
Other - 11%
Undecided - 16%
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2016, 12:00:40 PM »

I'm still wondering what effect voter suppression (or anti-fraud measures, depending on your perspective) will have in NC.
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2016, 12:05:36 PM »

Among those who didn't pick Clinton or Trump: "Who would be your second choice if it were between Republican Donald Trump or Democrat Hillary Clinton?"

Clinton - 63%
Trump - 11%
Other - 11%
Undecided - 16%

If Trump ties it up or takes the lead and with the other candidates making asses of themselves, this could be a reserve of support for Clinton. But even when everyone get behind Kerry, it seemed that all of his voted went to Bush instead though most likely, a lot of Nader people stayed home and Bush probably did really well reaching out to minorities over the gay thing.
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2016, 12:06:26 PM »

But clearly SC is a Tossup, amirite guys?

SC was understandably close when Clinton had a larger national lead. It makes sense that as her national polling lead narrows, some states grow further away.

It's really not that hard a concept, but it seems some people have trouble with it. 

I still think that Trump has an NC problem in a close race, even though this poll suggests some educated whites have come home for Trump in NC.  This is a small sample size; I'd like to see more polling from NC.
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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2016, 12:36:32 PM »

I'm still wondering what effect voter suppression (or anti-fraud measures, depending on your perspective) will have in NC.

Probably about the same effect as travel suppression measures (requiring drivers licenses to operate a vehicle, bus fare or fare card for riding mass transit) has on people getting to the polls in the first place.
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2016, 12:39:03 PM »

But clearly SC is a Tossup, amirite guys?

SC was understandably close when Clinton had a larger national lead. It makes sense that as her national polling lead narrows, some states grow further away.

It's really not that hard a concept, but it seems some people have trouble with it.  

I still think that Trump has an NC problem in a close race, even though this poll suggests some educated whites have come home for Trump in NC.  This is a small sample size; I'd like to see more polling from NC.

TN just likes to dump on people. He frequently makes these kinds of posts.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2016, 12:45:33 PM »

Clinton's far superior GOTV operations are going to be key in this state, especially with absentee voting already starting.
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2016, 01:10:34 PM »

RIP toss-up South Carolina.

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2016, 01:27:52 PM »

Not exactly an outlier... NC should poll close if Hillary is up 3-4.
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2016, 01:37:46 PM »

This takes NC to slight Rep on the Atlas map.

Q-poll takes it right back Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2016, 02:00:54 PM »

Here's a poll straight from the source, she will not win NC in the end.
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2016, 02:24:55 PM »

Here's a poll straight from the source, she will not win NC in the end.

Not sure what you mean by the source, since Suffolk University is in Boston, but whatever.
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2016, 02:27:29 PM »


https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/773962753778323456
Harry Enten from 538 seems to think Suffolk has it weighted better than Quinnipiac, 69% white vs Q's 64% white (it was 71% in 2012).
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2016, 02:30:24 PM »


https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/773962753778323456
Harry Enten from 538 seems to think Suffolk has it weighted better than Quinnipiac, 69% white vs Q's 64% white (it was 71% in 2012).

Wait... Quinnipiac has a sample that is TOO DEMOCRATIC? I'm stunned.

From now on, it is Atlas' favorite poll! Cheesy
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