Opinion of the Gaza Blockade?

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[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Massive HB. (which of course is not a surprise coming from me)

[Zioneer]

Major HB, from what little I know about it.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Terrible ongoing hardship for the innocent people of Gaza, which would stop if Hamas would cease trying to finish Hitler's work. Which is to say, FB.

[SWE]

Terrible ongoing hardship for the innocent people of Gaza, which would stop if Hamas would cease trying to finish Hitler's work. Which is to say, FB.

Hamas isn't the side led by someone who defends Hitler.

[Lumine]

That anyone could seriously vote FB I find it horrible.

[dead0man]

It helps with security in Egypt, Israel and West Bank.  They would rather not have to do it, but it's necessary at this point in history.

That anyone could seriously vote FB I find it horrible.

Almost as horrible as the people that side with Hamas and ignorantly call Israel an "apartheid state".  And no, you non-reading asshats, I don't think Israel (or Egypt) is perfect.  No state is.  If you can look at the history of the area and come to the conclusion that Israel is the biggest bad guy in the group than you're a funking moron and probably a little racist.

The blockage is unfortunate, but it ain't going anywhere until the assholes in Gaza stop being dicks.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Terrible ongoing hardship for the innocent people of Gaza, which would stop if Hamas would cease trying to finish Hitler's work. Which is to say, FB.

Hamas isn't the side led by someone who defends Hitler.

Netanyahu didn't defend Hitler. He claimed that the Grand Mufti helped him foment his genocidal ideas. Inaccurate, yes, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Hitler, you know...killed six million Jews.

Oh, and "moderate" Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas is an actual Holocaust denier.

[Santander]

As much of a humanitarian disaster it is for Gazans, I agree that it does have justification and I lean in support.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

There's something deeply, deeply sickening when a country that was in no small part established in response to the horror of World War II, is subsequently employing Hitleresque policy of collective responsibility.

[DavidB.]

The question, to me, is essentially "are Israeli citizens safer with or without the blockade?" While I think there is a case for Israel being safer by weakening Hamas through the removal of the blockade, which would theoretically enable competing political forces to become popular and fight Hamas within Gaza, I am not entirely convinced yet. Therefore I voted FB.

[Intell]

The question, to me, is essentially "are Israeli citizens safer with or without the blockade?" While I think there is a case for Israel being safer by weakening Hamas through the removal of the blockade, which would theoretically enable competing political forces to become popular and fight Hamas within Gaza, I am not entirely convinced yet. Therefore I voted FB.

So the palestenian people are removed from the debacle.

Anyway, obvious HP, just like the current state of isreal, which is essentially an apartheid state. Though Palestine is horrible. The world should just recognize both states, and provide no aid to these sh**t f*ks of Palestine and Israel, and have neutrality and the conflict, while hopefully pushing for a peaceful two-state or one-state solution, under socialism, ideally. I would go on, about how  Palestine and Isreal are horrible, but that would be endless.

[ingemann]

I'm guessing that everyone voting FB are a Islamist who want Israel destroyed and the Jews driven into the sea. Because the Gaza Blockade is a horrible compromise between occupying Gaza and lot blockage it, both which would be preferable for Israel and the Palestinians. The only people winning with the blockade are Hamas and other extremist Muslim groups and of course the Israeli Right.

[Seneca]

It helps with security in Egypt, Israel and West Bank.  They would rather not have to do it, but it's necessary at this point in history.

That anyone could seriously vote FB I find it horrible.

Almost as horrible as the people that side with Hamas and ignorantly call Israel an "apartheid state".  And no, you non-reading asshats, I don't think Israel (or Egypt) is perfect.  No state is.  If you can look at the history of the area and come to the conclusion that Israel is the biggest bad guy in the group than you're a funking moron and probably a little racist.

The blockage is unfortunate, but it ain't going anywhere until the assholes in Gaza stop being dicks.

The blockade creates a state of emergency which enhances Hamas's power, as they are seen as the only entity willing to stand and fight for the people of Gaza. If the blockade was removed and the economic situation were allowed to normalize, support for Hamas would thin.

[Kingpoleon]

As bad as if a future U. N. capable of time travel banned and seized all guns in Nazi Germany from everyone before the Holocaust began as a "defense for the Jews". To sacrifice the liberty of one man involuntarily for the security of the many is to prove oneself undeserving of both liberty and security.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

As bad as if a future U. N. capable of time travel banned and seized all guns in Nazi Germany from everyone before the Holocaust began as a "defense for the Jews". To sacrifice the liberty of one man involuntarily for the security of the many is to prove oneself undeserving of both liberty and security.

...I mean, I'm not really sure you made the case against the blockade you want to, because I would be more than fine with said hypothetical Time Travel UN shutting down Nazi Germany in 1933.

[Zioneer]

As bad as if a future U. N. capable of time travel banned and seized all guns in Nazi Germany from everyone before the Holocaust began as a "defense for the Jews". To sacrifice the liberty of one man involuntarily for the security of the many is to prove oneself undeserving of both liberty and security.

That's a really terrible example.

[dead0man]

It helps with security in Egypt, Israel and West Bank.  They would rather not have to do it, but it's necessary at this point in history.

That anyone could seriously vote FB I find it horrible.

Almost as horrible as the people that side with Hamas and ignorantly call Israel an "apartheid state".  And no, you non-reading asshats, I don't think Israel (or Egypt) is perfect.  No state is.  If you can look at the history of the area and come to the conclusion that Israel is the biggest bad guy in the group than you're a funking moron and probably a little racist.

The blockage is unfortunate, but it ain't going anywhere until the assholes in Gaza stop being dicks.

The blockade creates a state of emergency which enhances Hamas's power, as they are seen as the only entity willing to stand and fight for the people of Gaza. If the blockade was removed and the economic situation were allowed to normalize, support for Hamas would thin.

how many deaths would that cause in the mean time?  Many Gazans would die in the ensuing exchange of fire.  You know how this goes.  You know what the casualty numbers and ratio will look like (because one side wants as few civilians hurt as possible, while the other side wants as many civilians dead as possible, they don't even care which side).  I don't know how to get the keys away from the bigots in Gaza, but letting them potentially rearm easier might not be the best course of action.


(admittedly the blockade only slows down the rate of routine tantrums, but slowing down is better than not slowing down)

[ingemann]

It helps with security in Egypt, Israel and West Bank.  They would rather not have to do it, but it's necessary at this point in history.

That anyone could seriously vote FB I find it horrible.

Almost as horrible as the people that side with Hamas and ignorantly call Israel an "apartheid state".  And no, you non-reading asshats, I don't think Israel (or Egypt) is perfect.  No state is.  If you can look at the history of the area and come to the conclusion that Israel is the biggest bad guy in the group than you're a funking moron and probably a little racist.

The blockage is unfortunate, but it ain't going anywhere until the assholes in Gaza stop being dicks.

The blockade creates a state of emergency which enhances Hamas's power, as they are seen as the only entity willing to stand and fight for the people of Gaza. If the blockade was removed and the economic situation were allowed to normalize, support for Hamas would thin.

how many deaths would that cause in the mean time?  Many Gazans would die in the ensuing exchange of fire.  You know how this goes.  You know what the casualty numbers and ratio will look like (because one side wants as few civilians hurt as possible, while the other side wants as many civilians dead as possible, they don't even care which side).  I don't know how to get the keys away from the bigots in Gaza, but letting them potentially rearm easier might not be the best course of action.

(admittedly the blockade only slows down the rate of routine tantrums, but slowing down is better than not slowing down)

Why should Hamas care about their own civilians, the Israeli reaction help them staying power and help them gain both international and domestic support, and it's not like Gaza suffer from having to few people, it's the only resource Gaza have and the crushing poverty Israel help upkeep ensure that there doesn't become fewer of them.

[dead0man]

Indeed, it doesn't matter Israel's reaction to Hamas's infantile actions, Hamas wins support from idiots in the west.


Do you think it would be wise for Israel to NOT react when hundreds of rockets are fired at it?  What if it's 800?  What if the Iron Dome misses one?

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

a borderline genocidal policy, so it's no surprise that dead0man loves it

[dead0man]

hey look, evergreen dropped in for the insult and nothing else, must be Tuesday

[DavidB.]

a borderline genocidal policy, so it's no surprise that dead0man loves it

Ah, the genocide accusation. Typically German. Populations generally do not increase during genocides, especially not at Gaza's rate... the fact that many Germans desperately want to think that "the Jews are just as bad as we were" in order to lessen their feelings of guilt over the Shoah (also evidenced by the insane number of Germans that visit Israel on anti-Israeli tours) doesn't actually make it true.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

i should have thought it was elementary knowledge that genocide isn't defined by gross death count. and that the insinuation about germans is grossly inappropriate.

[dead0man]

haahahahaha THAT is what is "grossly inappropriate" to you?  Wow.  You're broken ma'am.  You might want to go see somebody about that.