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« on: May 06, 2016, 05:07:51 PM »

2016: Ted Cruz (R-TX) vs. Bernie Sanders (I-D-VT)
2012: Rick Santorum (R-PA) vs. John Wolfe (D-TN)
2008: Mike Huckabee (R-AR) vs. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
2004: Bill Wyatt (R-CA) vs. John Edwards (D-MA)
2000: John McCain (R-AZ) vs. Bill Bradley (D-NJ)
1996: Pat Buchanan (R-VA) vs. Lyndon LaRouche (D-VA)
1992: Pat Buchanan (R-VA) vs. Jerry Brown (D-CA)
1988: Bob Dole (R-KS) vs. Jesse Jackson (D-SC)
1984: Harold Stassen (R-MN) vs. Gary Hart (D-CO)
1980: George H.W. Bush (R-TX) vs. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
1976: Ronald Reagan (R-CA) vs. Mo Udall (D-AZ)

My Guesses:
2016: Ted Cruz (people would have been scared by the socialist)
2012: Rick Santorum (who has ever even heard of the other guy)

2008: Hillary Clinton (probably comfortably)
2004: John Edwards (these can get bad when the president runs pretty much unopposed)

2000: John McCain (and, we wouldn't have needed McCain v. Bradley)
1996: Pat Buchanan (two ideologically extreme candidates, but Perot probably doesn't run now)

1992: Jerry Brown (people are put off by Buchanan more than Brown)
1988: Bob Dole (he may be boring, but Jesse Jackson is crazy)
1984: Gary Hart (again, a president running unopposed messes this up)
1980: Ted Kennedy (a really close race, but conservative turnout isn't what it was with Reagan)

1976: Ronald Reagan (he probably wins all 50 states)
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2016, 05:16:30 PM »

2016: Ted Cruz (R-TX) vs. Bernie Sanders (I-D-VT)
2012: Rick Santorum (R-PA) vs. John Wolfe (D-TN)
2008: Mike Huckabee (R-AR) vs. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
2004: Bill Wyatt (R-CA) vs. John Edwards (D-MA)
2000: John McCain (R-AZ) vs. Bill Bradley (D-NJ)
1996: Pat Buchanan (R-VA) vs. Lyndon LaRouche (D-VA)
1992: Pat Buchanan (R-VA) vs. Jerry Brown (D-CA)
1988: Bob Dole (R-KS) vs. Jesse Jackson (D-SC)
1984: Harold Stassen (R-MN) vs. Gary Hart (D-CO)
1980: George H.W. Bush (R-TX) vs. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
1976: Ronald Reagan (R-CA) vs. Mo Udall (D-AZ)

My Guesses:
2016: Ted Cruz (people would have been scared by the socialist)
2012: Rick Santorum (who has ever even heard of the other guy)

2008: Hillary Clinton (probably comfortably)
2004: John Edwards (these can get bad when the president runs pretty much unopposed)

2000: John McCain (and, we wouldn't have needed McCain v. Bradley)
1996: Pat Buchanan (two ideologically extreme candidates, but Perot probably doesn't run now)

1992: Jerry Brown (people are put off by Buchanan more than Brown)
1988: Bob Dole (he may be boring, but Jesse Jackson is crazy)
1984: Gary Hart (again, a president running unopposed messes this up)
1980: Ted Kennedy (a really close race, but conservative turnout isn't what it was with Reagan)

1976: Ronald Reagan (he probably wins all 50 states)


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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2016, 05:25:52 PM »

1976: Udall wins.. Reagan was seen as too extreme.
1980: Ted Kennedy wins, Bush didn't have much elected experience
1984: Stassen wins, Republican year
1988: Dole wins, America not ready yet for black man
1992: Jerry Brown wins, he's not crazy.
1996: LOL, I guess Buchanan has to win by default.
2000: McCain wins, he polled better than Bush
2004: Edwards wins over nobody
2008: Hillary wins
2012: LOL, I guess Santorum has to win by default
2016: Bernie wins

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2016, 06:02:41 PM »

2016: Ted Cruz (R-TX) vs. Bernie Sanders (I-D-VT)
2012: Rick Santorum (R-PA) vs. John Wolfe (D-TN)
2008: Mike Huckabee (R-AR) vs. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
2004: Bill Wyatt (R-CA) vs. John Edwards (D-MA)
2000: John McCain (R-AZ) vs. Bill Bradley (D-NJ)
1996: Pat Buchanan (R-VA) vs. Lyndon LaRouche (D-VA)
1992: Pat Buchanan (R-VA) vs. Jerry Brown (D-CA)
1988: Bob Dole (R-KS) vs. Jesse Jackson (D-SC)
1984: Harold Stassen (R-MN) vs. Gary Hart (D-CO)
1980: George H.W. Bush (R-TX) vs. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
1976: Ronald Reagan (R-CA) vs. Mo Udall (D-AZ)

My Guesses:
2016: Ted Cruz (people would have been scared by the socialist)
2012: Rick Santorum (who has ever even heard of the other guy)

2008: Hillary Clinton (probably comfortably)
2004: John Edwards (these can get bad when the president runs pretty much unopposed)

2000: John McCain (and, we wouldn't have needed McCain v. Bradley)
1996: Pat Buchanan (two ideologically extreme candidates, but Perot probably doesn't run now)

1992: Jerry Brown (people are put off by Buchanan more than Brown)
1988: Bob Dole (he may be boring, but Jesse Jackson is crazy)
1984: Gary Hart (again, a president running unopposed messes this up)
1980: Ted Kennedy (a really close race, but conservative turnout isn't what it was with Reagan)

1976: Ronald Reagan (he probably wins all 50 states)


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Yeah, in 1976, the runner ups were really boring and lacking in humor. Reagan, with his vast legislative experience, defeats Udall, with small executive experience, easily. Udall/Bayh is a very extreme ticket, while Reagan/Percy lack regional and ideological diversity, which actually helps them.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2016, 04:25:36 PM »

1964: RFK vs Scranton (both conventions end in turmoil, with the "draft Scranton" movement unseating Goldwater and RFK staging a coup and taking the nomination from Johnson)- RFK wins since Scranton probably loses more rank and file Republican support than he does with Democrats, plus it was just a few years after the assassination

1968: Rockefeller vs McCarthy- Rockefeller wins in a landslide due to Mccarthy's liberalism and his winning many northeastern states, which is where Humphrey got most of his support in 68.

1976- Reagan vs Udall- Udall, there was just no way a Republican was going to win just a couple years after Watergate. I think a lot of people still viewed Reagan as crazy at the time too.

1980- Bush vs Kennedy- Kennedy obviously does much better in the northeast than Carter, carrying NY and Mass and such and making it a closer race. But Bush still wins based off Carter's unpopularity, and remember Chappaquiddick was still hanging over Kennedy at the time

1988- Dole vs Jackson- Dole in a landslide, for obvious reasons

1992- Brown vs Buchanan- Brown wins a solid victory as Buchanan was/is too crazy for most the country

2000- McCain vs Bradley- McCain wins and doesn't need a court case

2008- Clinton vs Huckabee- Clinton by a similar margin

2016- Cruz vs Sanders- Cruz wins a close one, as the electorate is a little more afraid of a socialist than a rightist.
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2016, 11:24:05 PM »
« Edited: July 05, 2016, 11:53:34 PM by L.D. Smith »

1952: Kefauver vs Taft

Both are seen as extreme, but Truman fatigue and an unpopular war favor Senator Taft, although the margins are probably think enough to ironically get a "Kefauver beats Taft" sort of situation from leading liberal newspapers.

1960: Goldwater vs Humphrey

Between Ike's waning popularity and Goldwater being seen as extreme, Humphrey goes in on a landslide, though not quite as large as that of LBJ's IRL since he probably won't take Utah, Idaho, Kansas, Virginia like LBJ did.

1964: R.F. Kennedy vs Rockefeller

Rockefeller easily wins by painting RFK as too extreme and inexperienced.

1968: McCarthy vs Reagan

Reagan wins on "law and order" and takes it by a landslide, also paints McCarthy as a pinko

1972: McCloskey vs Humphrey

Humphrey wins, also in a landslide, probably as a rebuttal to Nixon since, of course the only way McCloskey wins is if Watergate had happened that year.

1976: Reagan vs Udall

Reagan is seen as too extreme, and let's face it Watergate was a real great gift to any Democrat running.


1980: T. Kennedy vs G.H.W. Bush

Bush doesn't play enough hardball to do what Kennedy does to win.

1984: Stassen vs Hart

Hart wins probably 49 states, sans Alabama or Utah anyway...one of those two.

1988: Dole vs Jackson

Obvious Dole win, possibly all 50 states (though not DC).

1992: Buchanan vs Brown

Buchanan is seen as too extreme, loses everywhere but the Deep South.

1996: LaRouche vs Buchanan vs Lamm

The third party actually wins given how extreme Buchanan is and LaRouche is well...

2000: Bradley vs McCain

McCain wins every state Bush won, as well as those he lost by less than 5%.

2008: Santorum vs H. Clinton

Clinton gets 399 EV, losing only the Deep South, the Mormon Spine, and  a few select Plains states.

2012: Terry vs Santorum

Obvious Santorum win.

2016: Sanders vs Cruz

No one likes Cruz, afraid as they may be of a socialist, Cruz would find a way to insult everyone...it would however still be insultingly close.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2016, 12:18:39 AM »

1952: Kefauver vs Taft

Both are seen as extreme, but Truman fatigue and an unpopular war favor Senator Taft, although the margins are probably think enough to ironically get a "Kefauver beats Taft" sort of situation from leading liberal newspapers.

Was Kefauyer really seen as that extreme? It seems like he was viewed as liberal specifically for a Southern Democrat at the time. Taft was one of the discredited pre New Deal isolationist conservatives and would have lost badly, IMO.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2016, 01:36:22 AM »

My guesses:

2016: Ted Cruz (R-TX)* vs. Bernie Sanders (I-D-VT)
2012: Rick Santorum (R-PA)* vs. John Wolfe (D-TN)
2008: Mike Huckabee (R-AR) vs. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)*
2004: Bill Wyatt (R-CA)* vs. John Edwards (D-MA)
2000: John McCain (R-AZ)* vs. Bill Bradley (D-NJ)
1996: Pat Buchanan (R-VA)* vs. Lyndon LaRouche (D-VA)
1992: Pat Buchanan (R-VA) vs. Jerry Brown (D-CA)*
1988: Bob Dole (R-KS)* vs. Jesse Jackson (D-SC)
1984: Harold Stassen (R-MN)* vs. Gary Hart (D-CO)
1980: George H.W. Bush (R-TX)* vs. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
1976: Ronald Reagan (R-CA)* vs. Mo Udall (D-AZ)

(*indicates the candidate I would vote for.)
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2016, 01:48:28 AM »

2016: Ted Cruz (R-TX) vs. Bernie Sanders(I/D-VT)**
2012: Rick Santorum (R-PA)** vs. John Wolfe (D-TN)
2008: Mike Huckabee (R-AR) vs. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)**
2004: Bill Wyatt (R-CA)** vs. John Edwards (D-MA)
2000: John McCain (R-AZ)* vs. Bill Bradley (D-NJ)
1996: Pat Buchanan (R-VA)** vs. Lyndon LaRouche (D-VA)
1992: Pat Buchanan (R-VA) vs. Jerry Brown (D-CA)*
1988: Bob Dole (R-KS)* vs. Jesse Jackson (D-SC)
1984: Harold Stassen (R-MN)* vs. Gary Hart (D-CO)
1980: George H.W. Bush (R-TX)* vs. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
1976: Ronald Reagan (R-CA) vs. Mo Udall (D-AZ)*

*Who I would vote for
**Who I probably would prefer, but would vote Libertarian

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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 02:28:07 AM »
« Edited: July 06, 2016, 03:00:24 AM by Moderate Hero »

For 1972, 1984, 1996, 2004 , 2012 i will do incumbant vs runner up

1968:  Rockefeller vs McCarthy:   , Rockefeller in landslide

1972: Nixon vs Humphrey: Nixon in a decisive victory


1976: Reagan vs Udall  
: Reagan in a close victory



Reagan 279
Udall  259


1980: Bush vs Kennedy : Bush with  a decisive victory

1984: Reagan vs Hart:  Reagan in a landslide

1988: Dole vs JacksonSad Dole in a  sweep

1992: Buchanan vs Brown: Brown in a landslide

1996: Buchanan vs Clinton: Clinton in a landslide


2000: McCain vs Bradley: McCain with a solid victory


2004: Bush vs EdwardsSad Bush with a decisive victory

2008: Romney vs Clinton : Clinton with a decisive victory

2012: Santorum vs Obama : Obama with a decisive victory

2016: Cruz vs Sanders: Sanders in a nailbiter

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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2016, 12:35:27 PM »

President Lyndon LaRouche, everybody! Yay?
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