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« on: April 09, 2016, 07:15:20 AM »
I would say that enslaving and raping a child makes you a Horrible Person so...
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2016, 08:04:51 AM »
FF, though by no means a perfect man.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2016, 10:26:54 AM »
Massive FF. But, like all presidents, had some flaws.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2016, 10:41:34 AM »
Easily the most overrated Founding Father, especially among conservatives for some reason (nothing is inherently conservative about small government or being from the South, LOL), but I don't know if he's an HP.
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2016, 10:54:07 AM »
Aside from the obvious moral hypocrisy re: slavery and human liberty, his agrarian philosophy was rather nutty.
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2016, 01:22:12 PM »
FF -- agrarian populism FTW
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2016, 01:24:00 PM »
An excellent example of 'quite literally both', don't you think?
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2016, 01:25:03 PM »
Thomas Jefferson was a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father (sane).
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2016, 01:29:25 PM »
Quote from: Sibboleth on April 09, 2016, 01:24:00 PM
An excellent example of 'quite literally both', don't you think?

I think I'll go with this, yeah.
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2016, 02:36:21 PM »
FF(Sane, not an Adams-monarchist)
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2016, 02:43:36 PM »
Quote from: Intell on April 09, 2016, 08:04:51 AM
FF, though by no means a perfect man.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2016, 03:03:02 PM »
Quote from: When do you think it will all become clear? on April 09, 2016, 01:29:25 PM
Quote from: Sibboleth on April 09, 2016, 01:24:00 PM
An excellent example of 'quite literally both', don't you think?
I think I'll go with this, yeah.
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2016, 03:30:59 PM »
Quote from: White Light on April 09, 2016, 07:15:20 AM
I would say that enslaving and raping a child makes you a Horrible Person so...
He did some pretty messed up stuff, but he also founded the US, so the good probably squashes the bad.  Still, that is a stain on his reputation.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2016, 03:37:23 PM »
Quote from: beaver2.0 on April 09, 2016, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: White Light on April 09, 2016, 07:15:20 AM
I would say that enslaving and raping a child makes you a Horrible Person so...
He did some pretty messed up stuff, but he also founded the US, so the good probably squashes the bad.  Still, that is a stain on his reputation.

No. No role in a political entity's foundation narrative 'squashes' enslaving and raping a child.
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2016, 07:42:11 PM »
Quote from: Intell on April 09, 2016, 08:04:51 AM
FF, though by no means a perfect man.
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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2016, 07:44:57 PM »
Was the Embargo Act the worst decision ever made by a President of the US?
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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2016, 09:24:54 PM »
Quote from: Sibboleth on April 09, 2016, 01:24:00 PM
An excellent example of 'quite literally both', don't you think?

Yes, this.
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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2016, 09:35:57 PM »
Quote from: CrabCake on April 09, 2016, 07:44:57 PM
Was the Embargo Act the worst decision ever made by a President of the US?

No, the 2nd Iraq War was.
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2016, 09:37:21 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2016, 12:57:13 PM »
Miraculously managed to be worse than Alexander Hamilton.
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2016, 01:35:47 PM »
HP (Insane Adams monarchist)
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2016, 01:42:16 PM »

lol

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2016, 01:55:59 PM »
Jefferson was full of s**t on so many things, but the slavery issue is perhaps the most telling. Just let's compare him with George Washington, whose views gradually evolved from accepting slavery as something "obvious" to opposing it. He did not mistreat his slaves and, before death, he actually freed them. Jefferson was a hypocrite full of noble slogans. Was he worse than many other Virginia gentlemen? No, but that doesn't make him a nice guy.
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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2016, 03:07:38 PM »
My opinion is much lower than it used to be.  I've voted FF in the past, but now I voted HP.

I'd view Jefferson much more favorably if he had freed his slaves like Washington did.
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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2016, 06:12:52 PM »
As are ~32% of the other voters.
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