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« on: March 21, 2016, 05:43:40 PM »

Can Hillary Clinton of all people win a ruby red state like Utah, home of Mormon Republicans and business leaders, to a Donald Trump?
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2016, 05:45:30 PM »

C:-)
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2016, 05:45:48 PM »

No, I don't believe she's got a chance in Utah.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 06:06:35 PM »

No, she'll improve on Obama on the sole basis that Romney is not gonna be on the top of the ticket and Trump not being well received by Mormons. She may get 35% of the vote, but I don't expect her t0 pass 40%
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2016, 06:07:57 PM »

Can she? Maybe. But she shouldn't waste resources there unless it looks very close and she's doing badly elsewhere, which I think isn't all that likely.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2016, 06:13:24 PM »

I could see Trump's win margin being quite underwhelming, but it would probably take a 40+ state landslide to flip UT.
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2016, 06:15:30 PM »

Yes, she can in that she has a non-zero chance of winning it against Trump. Maybe a 10-20% chance if she faces Trump.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2016, 06:30:44 PM »

No. If Hillary won in a 45 state landslide, Utah would be one of the five Trump states.
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2016, 06:41:32 PM »

Against Trump, no. It could be within single digits though. She'd only really win it if he called her a sexist slur during the debate or something.
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2016, 06:42:48 PM »

Against Trump maybe lol. She has a much better chance in Utah then in Missouri. The margin will proabably be 5-10 points for Trump, but who knows.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2016, 06:52:40 PM »

At this point no. Everyone is going crazy over the one poll. If more in the future are released with a similar result, maybe I'll change my mind. I think Sanders would have a better shot.
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2016, 06:57:53 PM »

In a national landslide, maybe.  Otherwise, no.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2016, 06:59:45 PM »

Think Obama 2008 plus 2 or 3 points: that's probably the realistic ceiling for her.
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2016, 07:05:31 PM »

At this point no. Everyone is going crazy over the one poll. If more in the future are released with a similar result, maybe I'll change my mind. I think Sanders would have a better shot.

It's not just that one general election poll that shows Trump losing to Sanders and Clinton. It's also the caucus poll that shows Trump in third with barely double digits. It's also the fact that he has bombed with Mormons in Missouri and Idaho. It's also the fact that prominent Mormons like Mitt Romney and Glenn Beck are calling to boycott if he's the nominee. Do the people laughing at a Dem win just not know these things? I mean, I'm not ready to declare Hillary the winner but it certainly merits a discussion beyond "lol no"
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2016, 07:05:51 PM »

I think it's doubtful because I think the state would break for a third option (who would not necessarily even be on the ballot outside of Utah), but I don't think the chance of an outright Hillary win is zero.
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2016, 07:17:33 PM »

maybe if Trump publicly disses the LDS.
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2016, 07:19:56 PM »

maybe if Trump publicly disses the LDS.

I seriously wouldn't put it past him.

Poll comes out showing tight race in Utah mid-September:
"How stupid are the people of Utah? I mean, they got their Mormonism, which let's face it, is basically just a bunch of old guys wanting to have sex with a lot of women and get to say 'oh! it's just part of my religion!'"
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2016, 07:22:26 PM »

No, but Trump's support will be underwhelming. He's a terrible fit for the state.

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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2016, 07:24:27 PM »

She'll be lucky to get into low double digits.

Clinton isn't exactly a cherished figure herself there, even factoring in trump.
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2016, 07:28:17 PM »

She'll be lucky to get into low double digits.

lol, you must be on some good stuff. Obama still got 25% running against the state's hero.
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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2016, 07:34:52 PM »

I'd imagine if Trump was trailing by 10 points or more, she could begin putting some resources into an upset. Mormons may be moving over to the Democrats if the Republicans move in a more Trumpian direction.
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2016, 07:40:17 PM »

It would require Mormons to be one of those monolithic weird voting blocs with idiosyncracies. I mean, it wouldn't be a bigger swing than say Mississippi 1964.

But while I'm no expert on the Mormons this is not my impression of the situation in Utah.
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2016, 07:43:56 PM »

Can't see any Democrat getting more than 46%, even against Trump. Once we get to the general Utah will shift back into the GOP column. However, Trump will be incredibly weak for a Republican and he'll only pull mid 50's
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2016, 07:48:26 PM »

Can't see any Democrat getting more than 46%, even against Trump.

46% could be enough to win, if a 3rd party #NeverTrump option materializes.  Even if that candidate does no better than Ralph Nader 2000 nationally, they'd find fertile ground in Utah.
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2016, 08:08:55 PM »



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