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« on: March 12, 2016, 07:37:37 PM »
« edited: March 12, 2016, 07:40:28 PM by Ronnie »

Conducted March 8-11

Trump: 44%
Rubio: 21%
Cruz 21%
Kasich 9%
Undecided 5%

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-florida-primary-fau-results-20160312-story.html
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2016, 07:39:33 PM »

Imagine if Rubio came in 3rd. Never gonna happen, but man...
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2016, 07:42:27 PM »

One thing about the poll that seems suspicious to me is that Trump actually leads Rubio among Hispanics--what?  Also, they don't specify what "likely" voters are.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2016, 07:44:54 PM »

If this breaks down to a 65/35 Clinton win, she will win the delegate count in Florida approximately 160-86. Couple this with North Carolina (she realistically could win the delegate count there 75-46) and both these states can give her a net +100 delegate advantage without Illinois, Ohio and Missouri. Bernie really needs to close the gap here or else any small wins won't matter with such a large deficit in NC and Fla on Tuesday.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2016, 07:59:39 PM »

If this breaks down to a 65/35 Clinton win, she will win the delegate count in Florida approximately 160-86. Couple this with North Carolina (she realistically could win the delegate count there 75-46) and both these states can give her a net +100 delegate advantage without Illinois, Ohio and Missouri. Bernie really needs to close the gap here or else any small wins won't matter with such a large deficit in NC and Fla on Tuesday.

It would actually be around a 139-75 gap (I'm guessing you included the superdelegates.) But yeah, it is essential that Bernie doesn't let Hillary run away with FL and/or NC. He needs to keep the margins somewhat respectable.  Or alternatively, win his own blowouts in OH/MO/IL, but that seems unlikely. In this post I gave VERY generous estimates to Bernie on the post March 15th states to manage a near tie in delegates, but even that is dependent on him not losing major ground on Tuesday. If she nets a substantial amount of delegates Tuesday, the race is over.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2016, 08:09:02 PM »

If this breaks down to a 65/35 Clinton win, she will win the delegate count in Florida approximately 160-86. Couple this with North Carolina (she realistically could win the delegate count there 75-46) and both these states can give her a net +100 delegate advantage without Illinois, Ohio and Missouri. Bernie really needs to close the gap here or else any small wins won't matter with such a large deficit in NC and Fla on Tuesday.

It would actually be around a 139-75 gap (I'm guessing you included the superdelegates.) But yeah, it is essential that Bernie doesn't let Hillary run away with FL and/or NC. He needs to keep the margins somewhat respectable.  Or alternatively, win his own blowouts in OH/MO/IL, but that seems unlikely. In this post I gave VERY generous estimates to Bernie on the post March 15th states to manage a near tie in delegates, but even that is dependent on him not losing major ground on Tuesday. If she nets a substantial amount of delegates Tuesday, the race is over.

She already as a +200 pledged delegate lead. If she adds another 100 on Tuesday, there is no reasonable mathematical formula to get Sanders to the nomination. Even if you want to make things competitive, there is no way Hillary gets blown out (we're talking 60/40 and above) in the large, delegate rich states left like NY, NJ, PA and CA. So, in theory, he can stay in the race and try to win "states" but in reality, he can't get the numbers to add up.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2016, 08:13:56 PM »

If this breaks down to a 65/35 Clinton win, she will win the delegate count in Florida approximately 160-86. Couple this with North Carolina (she realistically could win the delegate count there 75-46) and both these states can give her a net +100 delegate advantage without Illinois, Ohio and Missouri. Bernie really needs to close the gap here or else any small wins won't matter with such a large deficit in NC and Fla on Tuesday.

It would actually be around a 139-75 gap (I'm guessing you included the superdelegates.) But yeah, it is essential that Bernie doesn't let Hillary run away with FL and/or NC. He needs to keep the margins somewhat respectable.  Or alternatively, win his own blowouts in OH/MO/IL, but that seems unlikely. In this post I gave VERY generous estimates to Bernie on the post March 15th states to manage a near tie in delegates, but even that is dependent on him not losing major ground on Tuesday. If she nets a substantial amount of delegates Tuesday, the race is over.

She already as a +200 pledged delegate lead. If she adds another 100 on Tuesday, there is no reasonable mathematical formula to get Sanders to the nomination. Even if you want to make things competitive, there is no way Hillary gets blown out (we're talking 60/40 and above) in the large, delegate rich states left like NY, NJ, PA and CA. So, in theory, he can stay in the race and try to win "states" but in reality, he can't get the numbers to add up.

Agreed for the most part. She's actually ahead by +220, and I'd argue that a net of 50 or so would be enough to close the curtains on this primary. Bernie's Michigan miracle kept him alive. Now he's going to need a few more miracles to remain viable.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2016, 08:18:21 PM »

If this breaks down to a 65/35 Clinton win, she will win the delegate count in Florida approximately 160-86. Couple this with North Carolina (she realistically could win the delegate count there 75-46) and both these states can give her a net +100 delegate advantage without Illinois, Ohio and Missouri. Bernie really needs to close the gap here or else any small wins won't matter with such a large deficit in NC and Fla on Tuesday.

It would actually be around a 139-75 gap (I'm guessing you included the superdelegates.) But yeah, it is essential that Bernie doesn't let Hillary run away with FL and/or NC. He needs to keep the margins somewhat respectable.  Or alternatively, win his own blowouts in OH/MO/IL, but that seems unlikely. In this post I gave VERY generous estimates to Bernie on the post March 15th states to manage a near tie in delegates, but even that is dependent on him not losing major ground on Tuesday. If she nets a substantial amount of delegates Tuesday, the race is over.

She already as a +200 pledged delegate lead. If she adds another 100 on Tuesday, there is no reasonable mathematical formula to get Sanders to the nomination. Even if you want to make things competitive, there is no way Hillary gets blown out (we're talking 60/40 and above) in the large, delegate rich states left like NY, NJ, PA and CA. So, in theory, he can stay in the race and try to win "states" but in reality, he can't get the numbers to add up.

Agreed for the most part. She's actually ahead by +220, and I'd argue that a net of 50 or so would be enough to close the curtains on this primary. Bernie's Michigan miracle kept him alive. Now he's going to need a few more miracles to remain viable.

So pretty much winning OH and MO while keeping the average margins in the other states around/under 10?
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2016, 08:25:35 PM »

If this breaks down to a 65/35 Clinton win, she will win the delegate count in Florida approximately 160-86. Couple this with North Carolina (she realistically could win the delegate count there 75-46) and both these states can give her a net +100 delegate advantage without Illinois, Ohio and Missouri. Bernie really needs to close the gap here or else any small wins won't matter with such a large deficit in NC and Fla on Tuesday.

It would actually be around a 139-75 gap (I'm guessing you included the superdelegates.) But yeah, it is essential that Bernie doesn't let Hillary run away with FL and/or NC. He needs to keep the margins somewhat respectable.  Or alternatively, win his own blowouts in OH/MO/IL, but that seems unlikely. In this post I gave VERY generous estimates to Bernie on the post March 15th states to manage a near tie in delegates, but even that is dependent on him not losing major ground on Tuesday. If she nets a substantial amount of delegates Tuesday, the race is over.

She already as a +200 pledged delegate lead. If she adds another 100 on Tuesday, there is no reasonable mathematical formula to get Sanders to the nomination. Even if you want to make things competitive, there is no way Hillary gets blown out (we're talking 60/40 and above) in the large, delegate rich states left like NY, NJ, PA and CA. So, in theory, he can stay in the race and try to win "states" but in reality, he can't get the numbers to add up.

Agreed for the most part. She's actually ahead by +220, and I'd argue that a net of 50 or so would be enough to close the curtains on this primary. Bernie's Michigan miracle kept him alive. Now he's going to need a few more miracles to remain viable.

So pretty much winning OH and MO while keeping the average margins in the other states around/under 10?

Pretty much, though there's some flexibility of course. He could get blown out in FL, but win OH/MO/IL and come surprisingly close in NC.
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2016, 09:30:09 PM »

I really hope Rubio comes in third. I would love to see that concession speech.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2016, 12:03:21 AM »

I really hope Rubio comes in third. I would love to see that concession speech.

Don't you mean, victory speech?
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2016, 12:04:36 AM »

I really hope Rubio comes in third. I would love to see that concession victory speech.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2016, 12:28:56 AM »

Guys, Rubio doesn't have to win states to win the nomination!
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2016, 06:43:43 AM »

RIP Little Marco.

#CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2016, 07:07:24 PM »

Trump: It's over, little Marco! I have the higher poll numbers!
Rubio: You underestimate my power...
Trump: Don't try it.
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2016, 07:36:09 PM »

Trump: It's over, little Marco! I have the higher poll numbers!
Rubio: You underestimate my power...
Trump: Don't try it.

You were the chosen one! You were supposed to lead the Republican Party against d*ck jokes, not make them!
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2016, 08:28:11 PM »

Trump: It's over, little Marco! I have the higher poll numbers!
Rubio: You underestimate my power...
Trump: Don't try it.

You were the chosen one! You were supposed to lead the Republican Party against d*ck jokes, not make them!

Bring fresh, positive energy to the GOP, not leave it in darkness!
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