Iowa Democratic County Convention Results- Where to find??

[IceSpear]

Shows the Bernie folks' complete disrespect of democracy. Reminds me of Ron Paul supporters in '12.

Come on, a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Bernie, just like 8 years ago a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Obama.

A comment like that says you fundamentally have no regard for the democratic process.

If you support sequestering people for 8 hours because you don't like the vote, then you are the one with no regard for the democratic process.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The caucus system is undemocratic as it is, but overturning the result at higher level conventions removes any semblance of democracy from it.

Bernie would easily win Iowa if it voted today.

Who cares? That's not how democracy and elections work.

It's how caucuses work. Obama did much better in later rounds 8 years ago.

Then that's just more evidence that caucuses are fundamentally unfair and undemocratic, as if we needed more.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Maybe if we didn't have super delegates I would understand the people on here whining about this.

[Beet]

Shows the Bernie folks' complete disrespect of democracy. Reminds me of Ron Paul supporters in '12.

Come on, a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Bernie, just like 8 years ago a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Obama.

A comment like that says you fundamentally have no regard for the democratic process.

If you support sequestering people for 8 hours because you don't like the vote, then you are the one with no regard for the democratic process.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The caucus system is undemocratic as it is, but overturning the result at higher level conventions removes any semblance of democracy from it.

Bernie would easily win Iowa if it voted today.

Who cares? That's not how democracy and elections work.

It's how caucuses work. Obama did much better in later rounds 8 years ago.

Then that's just more evidence that caucuses are fundamentally unfair and undemocratic, as if we needed more.

Precisely. Caucuses have zero democratic legitimacy. In 2012 a guy who got only 21% of the vote ended up with almost all the delegates.

[Lief 🗽]

Maybe if we didn't have super delegates I would understand the people on here whining about this.

Did you not get the memo from the Sanders campaign? You guys are supposed to love super-delegates now, because he's going to use them to steal the nomination for him.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/politics/bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

[IceSpear]

Maybe if we didn't have super delegates I would understand the people on here whining about this.

Okay. But you realize that's a majorly bad tradeoff for Bernie, right? If he manages to net a few more delegates from Iowa through nondemocratic means, he loses about 450 more through superdelegates. Really, really dumb for him to not stay above the fray here and accept the will of the voters. He just legitimized the undemocratic system of superdelegates by doing so.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Maybe if we didn't have super delegates I would understand the people on here whining about this.

Did you not get the memo from the Sanders campaign? You guys are supposed to love super-delegates now, because he's going to use them to steal the nomination for him.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/politics/bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

Hahahahaha!!!

[Ebsy]

@desmoinesdem (Laura Belin) is probably the best Democratic political blogger in Iowa and is gathering information on what is happening in Polk. I would advise following her twitter feed for updates.

[Dr. Arch]

Worth noting: Clinton won 53.2% of Polk County in precinct caucuses, only 51.1% in county convention. Given how close the race is, it's still possible that flips the state.

Yes, if he gained 2% in Polk, he certainly won the state by a bigger margin than Clinton preliminarily won it.

[Ebsy]

Worth noting: Clinton won 53.2% of Polk County in precinct caucuses, only 51.1% in county convention. Given how close the race is, it's still possible that flips the state.

Yes, if he gained 2% in Polk, he certainly won the state by a bigger margin than Clinton preliminarily won it.

Not necessarily. It depends how the rest of the county conventions and the congressional district conventions go. A lot can change.

[Dr. Arch]

Worth noting: Clinton won 53.2% of Polk County in precinct caucuses, only 51.1% in county convention. Given how close the race is, it's still possible that flips the state.

Yes, if he gained 2% in Polk, he certainly won the state by a bigger margin than Clinton preliminarily won it.

No necessarily. It depends how the rest of the county conventions and the congressional district conventions go. A lot can change.

Well, yes, that's assuming the rest of the state stays roughly the same. The different in SDEs was around 6 by the end, and 2% of Polk is way more than that.

[IceSpear]

Maybe if we didn't have super delegates I would understand the people on here whining about this.

Did you not get the memo from the Sanders campaign? You guys are supposed to love super-delegates now, because he's going to use them to steal the nomination for him.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/politics/bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

Hahahahaha!!!

This is actually...a very strange statement. Bernie's very narrow path to the nomination is to pull off some miracles, pull ahead in pledged delegates and popular vote, and argue to the superdelegates that they should respect the will of the voters. And they would've been under tremendous pressure to do so. But in that statement, he actually seems to legitimize their role in the process. Which makes no sense, because if you do legitimize them, then Hillary is already the nominee.

Extremely odd. I have no idea what he's thinking. Maybe he already knows he's going to lose and wants Iowa as colored Bernie on the election maps for more bragging rights? God only knows.

[MaxQue]

Maybe if we didn't have super delegates I would understand the people on here whining about this.

Did you not get the memo from the Sanders campaign? You guys are supposed to love super-delegates now, because he's going to use them to steal the nomination for him.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/politics/bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

Hahahahaha!!!

This is actually...a very strange statement. Bernie's very narrow path to the nomination is to pull off some miracles, pull ahead in pledged delegates and popular vote, and argue to the superdelegates that they should respect the will of the voters. And they would've been under tremendous pressure to do so. But in that statement, he actually seems to legitimize their role in the process. Which makes no sense, because if you do legitimize them, then Hillary is already the nominee.

Extremely odd. I have no idea what he's thinking. Maybe he already knows he's going to lose and wants Iowa as colored Bernie on the election maps for more bragging rights? God only knows.

Stroking the egos of superdelegates can't hurt either.

[ElectionsGuy]

How do these conventions actually do anything to the popular vote and the delegates?

[Ebsy]

Worth noting: Clinton won 53.2% of Polk County in precinct caucuses, only 51.1% in county convention. Given how close the race is, it's still possible that flips the state.

Yes, if he gained 2% in Polk, he certainly won the state by a bigger margin than Clinton preliminarily won it.

No necessarily. It depends how the rest of the county conventions and the congressional district conventions go. A lot can change.

Well, yes, that's assuming the rest of the state stays roughly the same. The different in SDEs was around 6 by the end, and 2% of Polk is way more than that.

Definitely not a safe assumption.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

How do these conventions actually do anything to the popular vote and the delegates?

The popular vote was never recorded, and Bernie likely won that. There are 3 rounds of delegates, precincts, county, and national. Today the precinct delegates elect county delegates.

[izixs]

If there is blatant violation of the rules adopted by the county convention, the slate of delegates from that county can be challenged at the district and state conventions. So worst case scenario is that who ever 'wins' the county ends up getting zero district/state delegates as those conventions decide that the county convention was just too fraudulent to be able to be represented at the next level conventions, though that's probably unlikely.

[Beet]

Worth noting: Clinton won 53.2% of Polk County in precinct caucuses, only 51.1% in county convention. Given how close the race is, it's still possible that flips the state.

Yes, if he gained 2% in Polk, he certainly won the state by a bigger margin than Clinton preliminarily won it.

No necessarily. It depends how the rest of the county conventions and the congressional district conventions go. A lot can change.

Well, yes, that's assuming the rest of the state stays roughly the same. The different in SDEs was around 6 by the end, and 2% of Polk is way more than that.

Definitely not a safe assumption.

How many SDEs does Polk county have? It cast about 23,000 delegate votes in the caucuses, (or about 16%) of the total. If 6 SDEs is less than one-fiftieth of the Polk total, it would have to have well over 300 SDEs, or over 21% of the total.

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Where I was, there were 239 Hillary supporters and 188 Bernie supporters, and they ended up getting 3 delegates each.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Worth noting: Clinton won 53.2% of Polk County in precinct caucuses, only 51.1% in county convention. Given how close the race is, it's still possible that flips the state.

Yes, if he gained 2% in Polk, he certainly won the state by a bigger margin than Clinton preliminarily won it.

No necessarily. It depends how the rest of the county conventions and the congressional district conventions go. A lot can change.

Well, yes, that's assuming the rest of the state stays roughly the same. The different in SDEs was around 6 by the end, and 2% of Polk is way more than that.

Definitely not a safe assumption.

Just look my post in previous page.

[The Other Castro]

Reason #184821 to get rid of caucuses.

[Lief 🗽]

The popular vote was never recorded, and Bernie likely won that.

LOL says who?

[Landslide Lyndon]

The popular vote was never recorded, and Bernie likely won that.

LOL says who?

The voices inside jfern's head.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The popular vote was never recorded, and Bernie likely won that.

LOL says who?

Bernie tended to do best in the large Democratic counties, which have fewer delegates per resident, and especially fewer delegates per voter.

[Ebsy]

The popular vote was never recorded, and Bernie likely won that.

LOL says who?

Bernie tended to do best in the large Democratic counties, which have fewer delegates per resident, and especially fewer delegates per voter.

I guess I can understand why you are so pathetically misguided if that is what you consider evidence.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Maybe if we didn't have super delegates I would understand the people on here whining about this.

Did you not get the memo from the Sanders campaign? You guys are supposed to love super-delegates now, because he's going to use them to steal the nomination for him.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/politics/bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

Hahahahaha!!!

This is actually...a very strange statement. Bernie's very narrow path to the nomination is to pull off some miracles, pull ahead in pledged delegates and popular vote, and argue to the superdelegates that they should respect the will of the voters. And they would've been under tremendous pressure to do so. But in that statement, he actually seems to legitimize their role in the process. Which makes no sense, because if you do legitimize them, then Hillary is already the nominee.

Aside from the fact that Hillary is only 52% of the way to 2383 even with supers, this also acts as if the supers are locked in to Hillary. They aren't. They can change their mind at any time, they don't have to wait for Hillary's pledged delegate lead to go away. It's just two differing theories of how to switch them over. Your theory is basically forcing them to choose between voting Sanders or publicly saying they don't care about voters, Sanders's theory is that if he gets "close enough", they can be convinced to vote for him based on an electability argument.

[Smash255]

Looks like it was 114-114 as far as State Delegates from Polk