Is Amnesty International an "absurd" group of American Haters?

[CARLHAYDEN]

Lets face facts, AI is a leftwing organization with an agenda.

Amnesty leadership aided Kerry


By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


The top leadership of Amnesty International USA, which unleashed a blistering attack last week on the Bush administration's handling of war detainees, contributed the maximum $2,000 to Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign.
    Federal Election Commission records show that William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty USA, contributed $2,000 to Mr. Kerry's campaign last year. Mr. Schulz also has contributed $1,000 to the 2006 campaign of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat.
    Also, Joe W. "Chip" Pitts III, board chairman of Amnesty International USA, gave the maximum $2,000 allowed by federal law to John Kerry for President. Mr. Pitts is a lawyer and entrepreneur who advises the American Civil Liberties Union.

[Palefire]

AI has an agenda, no doubt. Their agenda is human rights. As such, doing what they can to remove a person that they believe is a serial abuser of human rights (i.e. Bush) from power fits their agenda perfectly.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Sorry, but AI focuses its attention on the merest allegations of impropriety in countries like the United States and gives minimal attention to severe documented cruelty in places like China.

[2952-0-0]

Lets face facts, AI is a leftwing organization with an agenda.

Amnesty leadership aided Kerry


By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


The top leadership of Amnesty International USA, which unleashed a blistering attack last week on the Bush administration's handling of war detainees, contributed the maximum $2,000 to Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign.
    Federal Election Commission records show that William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty USA, contributed $2,000 to Mr. Kerry's campaign last year. Mr. Schulz also has contributed $1,000 to the 2006 campaign of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat.
    Also, Joe W. "Chip" Pitts III, board chairman of Amnesty International USA, gave the maximum $2,000 allowed by federal law to John Kerry for President. Mr. Pitts is a lawyer and entrepreneur who advises the American Civil Liberties Union.

Were those Amnesty as an organization donating funds or just those individuals?

[Palefire]

Sorry, but AI focuses its attention on the merest allegations of impropriety in countries like the United States and gives minimal attention to severe documented cruelty in places like China.

What have they done to the US that they have not done to China? They have been going after China for a very long time. They issue their reports on China very regularly. You would, of course, have to look for them - because unlike their reports on the US, their reports on China do not get splashed all over US newspapers and TV shows. Go run a web search for "Amnesty International China", I think - given your comment - that you will be surprised by the results.

[Palefire]

Are we talking about Amnesty International, or are we trolling each other?

My sincerest apologies for the part I played in helping to temporarily derail a thread.

[The Duke]

One other correction, some have said the Red Cross has not been allowed in.  They in fact have been allowed in many times to observe what is going on.

[Palefire]

What the IRC has been give is controled access, what they and Amnesty International are requesting is full access. The thought being that if the US doesn't have something to hide; why are they only letting the IRC see certain things. It's not evidence, in of its self, of anything, but as I've noted before - there a combination of things here that include documented abuses at certain loactions, that raise eyebrows and make some people wish to know more about what is being done in their names.

[TB]

Amnesty is not an anti-American organization. It’s an important independent organization that protects human rights. They not only protect human rights, which the US has been violating recently like so many other countries, among them Denmark, I also believe that Amnesty protects democracy and human rights, because they go hand in hand go hand in hand. Therefore it’s really important that we as democracies protect human rights. Acceptance of torture and other violations against the ineligible human rights is the path to the “dark side”…

[Joe Republic]

If Amnesty International is against any country at all, its every country that has a poor human rights record.  As we've seen, that includes many First World countries such as the US.  I remember reading that Britain once offered the recently deceased founder an honorary knighthood.  He refused it in protest at the British record of abuses in Northern Ireland.  AI gives every country an equal share of disapproval, not just the US.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Sorry, but AI focuses its attention on the merest allegations of impropriety in countries like the United States and gives minimal attention to severe documented cruelty in places like China.

What have they done to the US that they have not done to China? They have been going after China for a very long time. They issue their reports on China very regularly. You would, of course, have to look for them - because unlike their reports on the US, their reports on China do not get splashed all over US newspapers and TV shows. Go run a web search for "Amnesty International China", I think - given your comment - that you will be surprised by the results.

So, are you suggesting that the so called 'mainstream media' ignores reports of AI on communist regimes while it focuses on unsubstantiated claims by AI in criticism of the United States?

[CARLHAYDEN]

Lets face facts, AI is a leftwing organization with an agenda.

Amnesty leadership aided Kerry


By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


The top leadership of Amnesty International USA, which unleashed a blistering attack last week on the Bush administration's handling of war detainees, contributed the maximum $2,000 to Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign.
    Federal Election Commission records show that William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty USA, contributed $2,000 to Mr. Kerry's campaign last year. Mr. Schulz also has contributed $1,000 to the 2006 campaign of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat.
    Also, Joe W. "Chip" Pitts III, board chairman of Amnesty International USA, gave the maximum $2,000 allowed by federal law to John Kerry for President. Mr. Pitts is a lawyer and entrepreneur who advises the American Civil Liberties Union.

Were those Amnesty as an organization donating funds or just those individuals?

As the article I posted made clear, those are the contributions of the individuals who control AI.

[Palefire]

Sorry, but AI focuses its attention on the merest allegations of impropriety in countries like the United States and gives minimal attention to severe documented cruelty in places like China.

What have they done to the US that they have not done to China? They have been going after China for a very long time. They issue their reports on China very regularly. You would, of course, have to look for them - because unlike their reports on the US, their reports on China do not get splashed all over US newspapers and TV shows. Go run a web search for "Amnesty International China", I think - given your comment - that you will be surprised by the results.

So, are you suggesting that the so called 'mainstream media' ignores reports of AI on communist regimes while it focuses on unsubstantiated claims by AI in criticism of the United States?

No I'm suggesting that US media follows what the folks in the US are interested in, in this case - the US. Not really surprising. You can look at the Amnesty web sites if you want to know about their take on China, or if you don't - then don't.

[??????????]

So if this organization protects some absurd idea of "human rights" are they anti abortion? Or are they total hypocrites?

[2952-0-0]

So if this organization protects some absurd idea of "human rights" are they anti abortion? Or are they total hypocrites?

They haven't made a stance on abortion, but they have in the past condemned how China is forcing people to abort.

[??????????]

So if this organization protects some absurd idea of "human rights" are they anti abortion? Or are they total hypocrites?

They haven't made a stance on abortion, but they have in the past condemned how China is forcing people to abort.

Upon further evidence, they may be commendable on that issue.

[Palefire]

As the article I posted made clear, those are the contributions of the individuals who control AI.

I fail to see the point of this. Are you suggesting that since the people that controlled Enron made heavy contributions to Bush and the GOP that there was some kind of shared conspiratorial "agenda". Enron supported the GOPs corporate give aways and regulation cuts - so they gave them money. The leaders of Amnesty International USA supported Kerry's concept of Human Rights; so they gave them money. Is it really any more complex than that? Do you think that if the GOP had positions on Human Rights that were closer to those of Amnesty International than the Democrats that they would still give money to the Democrats?

[CARLHAYDEN]

You chose a long winded and turgid posting to make my point.

AI has left wing views, and slants its reports to reflect their hate America ideology.

[A18]

The fact that they gave money to the Democrats is all the indication you need that they're a hate America front group.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Actually, AI plays a little dance in trying to cover its left wing orientation.

They prepare reports mildly critical of places like communist china, and put them on the shelves to use ONLY when they are correctly criticized for their tendency to make bogus charges against the United States and other civilized countries.

When it is pointed out that their reports on places like communist China have had no publicity, they blame it on the media.

[Palefire]

You chose a long winded and turgid posting to make my point.

AI has left wing views, and slants its reports to reflect their hate America ideology.

Ah - so having a view of Human Rights closer to John Kerry than the GOP reflects their hate of American ideology. If you say so Carl.

[Palefire]

Actually, AI plays a little dance in trying to cover its left wing orientation.

They prepare reports mildly critical of places like communist china, and put them on the shelves to use ONLY when they are correctly criticized for their tendency to make bogus charges against the United States and other civilized countries.

When it is pointed out that their reports on places like communist China have had no publicity, they blame it on the media.

Still haven't gone to read any of AI's web sites in a meaningful fashion I see.

[dazzleman]

You chose a long winded and turgid posting to make my point.

AI has left wing views, and slants its reports to reflect their hate America ideology.

You are completely correct.

[Lunar]

Amnesty International's current front page links to news articles that criticize the following countries:

Two criticisms:
China

One criticism:
Afghanistan
Lebanon
European Union
Mexico
Nigeria
Russia
United Kingdom
United States
Zimbabwe

[CARLHAYDEN]

When AI has a criticism of the United States (on the flimsy allegations), it holds a major press conference.

When AI has criticism of Communist China, it files a report with NO publicity.

The ONLY reason AI even bothers to file a report mildly critical of Communist China is to drag it out (after blowing off the dust) to show they don't only critize the United States.

There was a time when AI was a genuine human rights organization, but that is time long past.