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Richard
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« on: May 30, 2005, 07:53:05 AM »

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010591.php

Interesting map, eh?
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2005, 08:16:57 AM »

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That article seems to think that people who voted "no" were conservatives. Western Paris voted yes because it is a conservative area. It is the same with Alsace or Haute Savoie. The business community were the biggest backers. Apart from England conservatives in Europe generally want more integration.
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2005, 08:32:52 AM »

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That article seems to think that people who voted "no" were conservatives. Western Paris voted yes because it is a conservative area. It is the same with Alsace or Haute Savoie. The business community were the biggest backers. Apart from England conservatives in Europe generally want more integration.
Can you tell me what is so significant about that blue block in western France?  Why is that?
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2005, 09:46:48 AM »

Yeah, the map is that article's only redeeming feature. Its interpretation is pure bullsh**t.

The Pays de la Loire is a stronghold of Conservatism (for reasons reaching back to 1789), but a very weak region for the Far Right (for reasons I can't quite fathom, but perhaps related to the Second World War). As for why Bretagne voted yes, though, I haven't got much more of a clue than the author of the article.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2005, 06:39:18 PM »

Maybe the Breton nationalists (are they a presence at all?) think they'd be better off under a huge multinational Europe than a unicultural France?

Interesting how the Overseas Departments voted mainly Oui.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2005, 08:32:42 PM »

I wouldn't read too much into the map, though the coloring is somewhat ironic.  By the margin of the vote, it seems that a large majority of voters, left and right, were opposed to the the new EU Constitution. 

It's a shame that so many of the smaller nation states and the Eastern European sountries felt compelled to sellout their national identity in an effort to fit into the Paris-Berlin Axis.  Oh well, the people of France have solved that problem for them now.
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2005, 01:18:06 PM »

St-Pierre and Miquelon got to vote? I thought they weren't in the EU
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2005, 01:34:44 PM »

St-Pierre and Miquelon got to vote? I thought they weren't in the EU
French oversea possesions.
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2005, 01:36:20 PM »

St-Pierre and Miquelon got to vote? I thought they weren't in the EU
French oversea possesions.

I know that, but I thought that they weren't in the EU, but other possessions like Fr. Guiana were.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2005, 04:23:36 PM »

St-Pierre and Miquelon got to vote? I thought they weren't in the EU
They aren't, but they got a vote anyways because they are citizens of France. French citizens living abroad got a vote too, after all.
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2005, 12:37:04 PM »

Maybe the Breton nationalists (are they a presence at all?) think they'd be better off under a huge multinational Europe than a unicultural France?
Just my words. French have always oppressed Bretons culturally.

However Corsica voted no.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2005, 02:14:32 PM »

By the margin of the vote, it seems that a large majority of voters, left and right, were opposed to the the new EU Constitution.

False ! 80% of the voters from the UMP voted Oui.
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2005, 04:38:13 PM »

PowerLine shows their stupidity again.
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2005, 09:39:08 PM »

I think this line says it all:

"I don't know enough about French politics"
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2005, 05:53:46 AM »

By the margin of the vote, it seems that a large majority of voters, left and right, were opposed to the the new EU Constitution.

False ! 80% of the voters from the UMP voted Oui.

Don't forget that there are also De Villiers and Gaullists at right. In the no, there is 16% of right voters says Ipsos and 20% of extreme right. And Ipsos says that 27% of right voters have voted no too. But others polls say that there are more right voters who voted for no.
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