Overturning Roe vs Wade

[opebo]

Abortions should be made as common as McDonalds and Starbucks.

They are a great human truimph.

Hear hear!  As always, a voice of reason, phknrocket.

[afleitch]

I think making abortion illegal in any state or nationwide setting is completely idiotic and chaotic. Women won't stop having abortions if you ban it. Instead of going to see their doctor at a clean and safe hospital, they will go to someone who isn't trained and isn't safe- we would be back to the 'back alley' abortion. Either that or they would purposely try to self induce a miscarriage. Then the evangelical nuts will be arresting women who miscarry incase they 'did it themselves.' Sick.

[A18]

I see nothing wrong with that, and no, no one's going to arrest women for miscarriages. Regardless, this has nothing to do with Roe v. Wade.

[Richard]

Abortions should be made as common as McDonalds and Starbucks.

They are a great human truimph.

You must be a conservative troll posing as a liberal.  Even if you favor having abortion be legal, I can't imagine anyone viewing them as anything other than tragedy, if only for all effort and risk (not even counting any that accues because of the law) that a woman must face to get one.

If it is not murder, and simply removing an unwanted part of your body (like a tumor), why is it a tragedy?

[Richard]

I think making abortion illegal in any state or nationwide setting is completely idiotic and chaotic. Women won't stop having abortions if you ban it. Instead of going to see their doctor at a clean and safe hospital, they will go to someone who isn't trained and isn't safe- we would be back to the 'back alley' abortion. Either that or they would purposely try to self induce a miscarriage. Then the evangelical nuts will be arresting women who miscarry incase they 'did it themselves.' Sick.

And that is perfectly fine.  It is her choice if she wants to risk her life to commit murder.  If they don't want a baby, DO NOT HAVE SEX.  If you were raped, well, my condolences to you. Put the kid up for adoption.  But please, don't murder the kid for the sins of the father.

[afleitch]

I don't know why your so defensive of these unborn bundles of cells Richius. To hell with 'potential' and all that nonsense, I could go scrape out some of my cheek cells and smear them on the desk- oh dear i'm commiting murder! And welcome to the world of sarchasm. It's not as if abortion is outlawed in the Bible! I'm glad I don't live in the USA. Thanks to Roe v Wade a woman can make a personal choice; to terminate OR to keep. That is the ultimate freedom.

[afleitch]

Oh and another thing for those Bible Billy's out there; an unborn and unbaptized child is by definition swimming with original sin. In fact it's probably more sinful in it's existance than you or I. Luckily i'm not religious, but it's an important point to make

[A18]

Hardly deserving of the death penalty, and no, actually it is much less sinful than you.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Abortions should be made as common as McDonalds and Starbucks.

They are a great human truimph.

You must be a conservative troll posing as a liberal.  Even if you favor having abortion be legal, I can't imagine anyone viewing them as anything other than tragedy, if only for all the effort and risk (not even counting any that accues because of the law) that a woman must face to get one.

If it is not murder, and simply removing an unwanted part of your body (like a tumor), why is it a tragedy?

I think I explained myself adequately.  The wasted effort involved in getting an abortion and the small but real risk of complications or side effects as is the case of any medical proceedure makes it a tragedy when compared to the prefered case that she not have been pregnant in the first place.  Obviously it is not as much of a tragedy as it would be if one considered it to be a murder, but it is still a tragedy.

[ragnar]

Abortions should be made as common as McDonalds and Starbucks.

They are a great human truimph.

You must be a conservative troll posing as a liberal.  Even if you favor having abortion be legal, I can't imagine anyone viewing them as anything other than tragedy, if only for all effort and risk (not even counting any that accues because of the law) that a woman must face to get one.

If it is not murder, and simply removing an unwanted part of your body (like a tumor), why is it a tragedy?

because its a waste of the states ressourses

[opebo]

I think making abortion illegal in any state or nationwide setting is completely idiotic and chaotic. Women won't stop having abortions if you ban it. Instead of going to see their doctor at a clean and safe hospital, they will go to someone who isn't trained and isn't safe- we would be back to the 'back alley' abortion. Either that or they would purposely try to self induce a miscarriage. Then the evangelical nuts will be arresting women who miscarry incase they 'did it themselves.' Sick.

And that is perfectly fine.  It is her choice if she wants to risk her life to commit murder.  If they don't want a baby, DO NOT HAVE SEX.  If you were raped, well, my condolences to you. Put the kid up for adoption.  But please, don't murder the kid for the sins of the father.

It is ridiculous to expect someone to not have sex when there is a perfectly nice modern technological solution to the problem - abortion.  Besides, it is none of your business, Richius.

[Cubby]

I would very much like to see this happen.  I would also very much like to see a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting abortions, but that is not going to happen in the forseeable future.  In the meantime, I'm up for a compromise.

Overturn Roe vs Wade and let the states decide.  Soviet California will probably have Abortions-On-Demand, while the "hell holes" (like Opebo says) like Mississippi will make it illegal.

Now the real question is...  If blue states make abortion illegal and keep executing babies, what will that do to population trends over the next 50 years?  Red states are already growing much faster.  The Census predicts that Bush's 286-252 win would have been 303-235 in 2032 just due to population trends and shifting electoral votes.

Would abortion be contributing to this perhaps?

Absolutely not. Whats causing red-state growth is adults moving there for jobs, immigrants from outside the country and old people leaving the northern winters behind.

Why are you people so obsessed with abortion?!?!?! I hope your not one of those who considers Roe v. Wade a "holocaust of the unborn" a girl in my class once said that during a presentation and I flipped out, saying how dare you equate the Nazi genocide with women choosing their own destiny. And the class made me feel like I was being weird about it! I had to stand up for the girls rights in that class because they were too lazy to care.

All you pro-life people care about are the babies WHAT ABOUT THE MOTHERS? They have rights too. While I was reading your post my mouth dropped open, I couldn't believe you were serious about this.

I'm so sick of talking about this topic that I'd have no problem with Roe being overturned. We'll keep it legal in the North and your women would be free to come up here to decide their choice.

I want a bumper sticker that says: "It's a choice, not a child" (for the first 3 months of pregnancy that is).

[Jake]

If mothers have the right to kill, why not the father. He did provide half the genetic material, shouldn't he get half the say at least. WHAT ABOUT THE FATHERS !!!11!!1!!1!!

[Ebowed]

Why are you people so obsessed with abortion?!?!?!

Why are you so obsessed with keeping it legal?

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I'll do it right now.  Legalizing abortion has resulted in millions of deaths, just like the Holocaust.  Gonna flip out at me now?

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I'm glad you stood up for unborn "girls rights."  

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Yes, they have a right to live, just like the babies.

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Elitist.

[Cubby]

Why are you people so obsessed with abortion?!?!?!

Why are you so obsessed with keeping it legal?

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I'll do it right now.  Legalizing abortion has resulted in millions of deaths, just like the Holocaust.  Gonna flip out at me now?

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I'm glad you stood up for unborn "girls rights."  

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Yes, they have a right to live, just like the babies.

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Elitist.

All you just did was try to insult me. You added nothing to the thread, just some lame 1 liners. I write like 3 paragraphs and you can't even write complete sentences. What a waste of time. I  mean it when I say I can't understand what makes pro-life people so annoyingly obsessed with this issue. Do they think they are modern John Browns or something? Stop insulting me and try to have a dialogue here. I wonder how the other side feels.

[Ebowed]

Really, I didn't feel that such repetitive and elitist tripe dignified a response longer than the one I gave.  </stupid 1 liner>

[Jake]

All you just did was try to insult me. You added nothing to the thread, just some lame 1 liners. I write like 3 paragraphs and you can't even write complete sentences. What a waste of time. I  mean it when I say I can't understand what makes pro-life people so annoyingly obsessed with this issue. Do they think they are modern John Browns or something? Stop insulting me and try to have a dialogue here. I wonder how the other side feels.

Why the anger over opposition to your position again. Is your position to weak to stand on? Your arguement based on a ruling that has been shown to be based on opinion? Why not attack the issue, not the person? This guy has got to be CTGuy BTW

[Brandon H]

Why are you people so obsessed with abortion?!?!?!

Why are you so obsessed with keeping it legal?

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I'll do it right now.  Legalizing abortion has resulted in millions of deaths, just like the Holocaust.  Gonna flip out at me now?

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I'm glad you stood up for unborn "girls rights." 

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Yes, they have a right to live, just like the babies.

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Elitist.

All you just did was try to insult me. You added nothing to the thread, just some lame 1 liners. I write like 3 paragraphs and you can't even write complete sentences. What a waste of time. I  mean it when I say I can't understand what makes pro-life people so annoyingly obsessed with this issue. Do they think they are modern John Browns or something? Stop insulting me and try to have a dialogue here. I wonder how the other side feels.

Really, I didn't feel that such repetitive and elitist tripe dignified a response longer than the one I gave. </stupid 1 liner>

Ebowed, I thought you did a good job of countering his arguments, and saw no personal insults in there.

Though I don't know for sure, I believe the number of unborn children killed has pass the number of Jews killed.

[opebo]

Though I don't know for sure, I believe the number of unborn children killed has pass the number of Jews killed.

The characterization 'unborn children' is inaccurate.  So is the verb 'killed'.

[A18]

The term killed is factually accurate.

[opebo]

The term killed is factually accurate.

No, we don't say, 'I killed my foot' if it is amputated.

[A18]

The rest of your post does not justify the use of the first word

[Ebowed]

The term killed is factually accurate.

No, we don't say, 'I killed my foot' if it is amputated.

Yes, because it's only a foot that's growing inside of a woman when she's pregnant.

[opebo]

The term killed is factually accurate.

No, we don't say, 'I killed my foot' if it is amputated.

Yes, because it's only a foot that's growing inside of a woman when she's pregnant.

That is how I look at it - a part of her body.  Given that its impossible for it to live outside of her, I think that is an emminently reasonable analysis.  Its future is irrelevant to the present.

If we took into account all sorts of future possibilities in criminology, every murder would be one of countless generations to come.. and every masturbatory ejactulation would be a genocide.

[A18]

It is accurate to say that a sperm is killed, and it's accurate to say that a fetus is killed.