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« on: January 22, 2016, 12:51:06 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2016, 12:55:22 AM »

That's because he is a moderate.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2016, 12:56:30 AM »

He used to be a Democrat.  Also moderates may be more concerned about winning than ideology.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2016, 12:57:25 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans

I don't know what you are talking about. What hate speech and rhetoric? He is just telling it like it is. No PC crap. That's why I like him.
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2016, 12:57:59 AM »

Not all those who identify as moderate Republicans are country club old money or Wall Street barons.  For a not particularly religious or conservative white working class voter, Donald Trump's anti-establishment rhetoric and style has a lot of appeal.   
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2016, 12:58:12 AM »

Moderate=/=sensible
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2016, 12:58:21 AM »

Because "moderate" is basically a code-word for "I have no real ideological compass, my beliefs are all over the place and I don't know much about politics", in the same vein as "independents".

Conservatives are more likely to smell BS when it comes to his pandering talking points, and recognize he's not actually one of them.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2016, 12:59:17 AM »

Because they aren't really moderates.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2016, 01:01:28 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans

I don't know what you are talking about. What hate speech and rhetoric? He is just telling it like it is. No PC crap. That's why I like him.

Calling Mexicans rapists, making fun of disabled people, and wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country....yeah totally not hate right
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2016, 01:06:01 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans

I don't know what you are talking about. What hate speech and rhetoric? He is just telling it like it is. No PC crap. That's why I like him.

Calling Mexicans rapists, making fun of disabled people, and wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country....yeah totally not hate right

Neither of that is true and you know it.

1) Deport all illegals who have criminal record. Example: Mexican rapist.
2) He was making fun of his persona, not his physical disability.
3) USA is under siege (according to him). Logical measure: temporarily ban Muslims from enetring the country until such mechanism is put in place which can prevent only those Muslims who are radicals from enetering the country.

No hate speach. Just common sense.
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2016, 01:08:01 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans

I don't know what you are talking about. What hate speech and rhetoric? He is just telling it like it is. No PC crap. That's why I like him.

Calling Mexicans rapists, making fun of disabled people, and wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country....yeah totally not hate right

Yes, these are what Trump said not media simplifications of his policy positions.

Also businessmen are not the moderates in the party. Upper middle class people are very likely to identify as conservative.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2016, 01:08:14 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans

I don't know what you are talking about. What hate speech and rhetoric? He is just telling it like it is. No PC crap. That's why I like him.

Calling Mexicans rapists, making fun of disabled people, and wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country....yeah totally not hate right

Neither of that is true and you know it.

1) Deport all illegals who have criminal record. Example: Mexican rapist.
2) He was making fun of his persona, not his physical disability.
3) USA is under siege (according to him). Logical measure: temporarily ban Muslims from enetring the country until such mechanism is put in place which can prevent only those Muslims who are radicals from enetering the country.

No hate speach. Just common sense.

You can't it's his ploy to outright ban Muslims from ever coming, and 3-6 million Muslims are making America seized right....lol
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2016, 01:15:26 AM »

TRUMP is a social liberal. Yes, yes, he's kinda sorta pandered right so that Cruz doesn't have fresh material to attack him with on such issues, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a social liberal at heart.

TRUMP is still pro-single payer. He's just never brought it up during the campaign. He's been very clear that he supports raising taxes on certain rich people.  He also has a long history of donating to democrats - and not DINOs, real democrats like Harry Reid(!).

He stays conservative enough to still be a republican via his anti-immigrant, anti-woman, anti-muslim, anti-Obama rhetoric.

So, yeah, it makes sense why he's never getting the hardcore parts of Cruz and Carson's support, unless they drop out.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2016, 01:19:29 AM »
« Edited: January 22, 2016, 01:22:24 AM by Ljube »

TRUMP is a social liberal. Yes, yes, he's kinda sorta pandered right so that Cruz doesn't have fresh material to attack him with on such issues, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a social liberal at heart.

And that's another reason I like him. I am a social liberal too and it is refreshing to finally have a social liberal as the Republican nominee. That's why most Libertarians support TRUMP.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2016, 01:21:52 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans

I don't know what you are talking about. What hate speech and rhetoric? He is just telling it like it is. No PC crap. That's why I like him.

Calling Mexicans rapists, making fun of disabled people, and wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country....yeah totally not hate right

Neither of that is true and you know it.

1) Deport all illegals who have criminal record. Example: Mexican rapist.
2) He was making fun of his persona, not his physical disability.
3) USA is under siege (according to him). Logical measure: temporarily ban Muslims from enetring the country until such mechanism is put in place which can prevent only those Muslims who are radicals from enetering the country.

No hate speach. Just common sense.

You can't it's his ploy to outright ban Muslims from ever coming, and 3-6 million Muslims are making America seized right....lol

Why not? He wants to institute a database of all Muslims. That way he can track radicals.
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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2016, 01:27:48 AM »

Because a lot of moderates aren't actually moderates, so much as politically schizophrenic (for lack of a better word) extremists.

This article from Vox goes over it quite well: http://www.vox.com/2014/7/8/5878293/lets-stop-using-the-word-moderate
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2016, 01:28:20 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans

I don't know what you are talking about. What hate speech and rhetoric? He is just telling it like it is. No PC crap. That's why I like him.

Calling Mexicans rapists, making fun of disabled people, and wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country....yeah totally not hate right

Neither of that is true and you know it.

1) Deport all illegals who have criminal record. Example: Mexican rapist.
2) He was making fun of his persona, not his physical disability.
3) USA is under siege (according to him). Logical measure: temporarily ban Muslims from enetring the country until such mechanism is put in place which can prevent only those Muslims who are radicals from enetering the country.

No hate speach. Just common sense.

You can't it's his ploy to outright ban Muslims from ever coming, and 3-6 million Muslims are making America seized right....lol

Why not? He wants to institute a database of all Muslims. That way he can track radicals.

That's not constitutional... And you think we will all agree to be in a database? How are you going to determine who is Muslim or not? And what if we refuse to be in it? Give me a break Ljube
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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2016, 01:28:23 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans

I don't know what you are talking about. What hate speech and rhetoric? He is just telling it like it is. No PC crap. That's why I like him.

Calling Mexicans rapists, making fun of disabled people, and wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country....yeah totally not hate right

Neither of that is true and you know it.

1) Deport all illegals who have criminal record. Example: Mexican rapist.
2) He was making fun of his persona, not his physical disability.
3) USA is under siege (according to him). Logical measure: temporarily ban Muslims from enetring the country until such mechanism is put in place which can prevent only those Muslims who are radicals from enetering the country.

No hate speach. Just common sense.

You can't it's his ploy to outright ban Muslims from ever coming, and 3-6 million Muslims are making America seized right....lol

Why not? He wants to institute a database of all Muslims. That way he can track radicals.

Lol it's funny how right before this post you say most libertarians support Trump, and then the next post is talking about Trump's plans of establishing a database of Muslim's.
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2016, 01:30:38 AM »

What is unlibertarian about creating a database of Muslims?
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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2016, 01:32:13 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans

I don't know what you are talking about. What hate speech and rhetoric? He is just telling it like it is. No PC crap. That's why I like him.

Calling Mexicans rapists, making fun of disabled people, and wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country....yeah totally not hate right

Neither of that is true and you know it.

1) Deport all illegals who have criminal record. Example: Mexican rapist.
2) He was making fun of his persona, not his physical disability.
3) USA is under siege (according to him). Logical measure: temporarily ban Muslims from enetring the country until such mechanism is put in place which can prevent only those Muslims who are radicals from enetering the country.

No hate speach. Just common sense.

You can't it's his ploy to outright ban Muslims from ever coming, and 3-6 million Muslims are making America seized right....lol

Wow, paranoid much? Do you even know who Trump is before this campaign started? Hed clearly go in the opposite direction.
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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2016, 01:32:21 AM »

What is unlibertarian about creating a database of Muslims?

It screams authoritarianism, this isn't complicated stuff
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2016, 01:33:17 AM »

What is unlibertarian about creating a database of Muslims?

The fact that this is even being asked is mind-boggling.
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2016, 01:33:38 AM »

It screams authoritarianism, this isn't complicated stuff

Just devolve it to the states or contract it out to a private corporation.  Problem solved.
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2016, 01:36:08 AM »

It screams authoritarianism, this isn't complicated stuff

Just devolve it to the states or contract it out to a private corporation.  Problem solved.

Authoritarianism by state governments is still authoritarianism.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2016, 01:37:08 AM »

I really don't understand it with all his hate speech and rhetoric, I don't see his appeal to sensible Republicans

I don't know what you are talking about. What hate speech and rhetoric? He is just telling it like it is. No PC crap. That's why I like him.

Calling Mexicans rapists, making fun of disabled people, and wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country....yeah totally not hate right

Neither of that is true and you know it.

1) Deport all illegals who have criminal record. Example: Mexican rapist.
2) He was making fun of his persona, not his physical disability.
3) USA is under siege (according to him). Logical measure: temporarily ban Muslims from enetring the country until such mechanism is put in place which can prevent only those Muslims who are radicals from enetering the country.

No hate speach. Just common sense.

You can't it's his ploy to outright ban Muslims from ever coming, and 3-6 million Muslims are making America seized right....lol

Why not? He wants to institute a database of all Muslims. That way he can track radicals.

That's not constitutional... And you think we will all agree to be in a database? How are you going to determine who is Muslim or not? And what if we refuse to be in it? Give me a break Ljube

Constitutionality of that can be debated. Likewise feasibility.

I'm not saying I agree with that. In fact I don't expect that TRUMP will actually ban Muslims or set up such a database.
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