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« on: January 17, 2016, 09:43:03 AM »

Sanders 54, Trump 39
Clinton 51, Trump 41

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/poll-sanders-outperforms-clinton-matchup-against-trump-n498076

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2016, 09:59:25 AM »

But but but he's going to win New York, guys!
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2016, 10:02:14 AM »

But but but he's going to win New York, guys!

Of course he will, they just need to unskew the polls.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2016, 10:13:49 AM »

Dems are well positioned to win in a wave.
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2016, 10:48:09 AM »

Both FOX and CNN have Trump at 47%, throw it in the trash.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2016, 11:04:39 AM »

TRUMP is a low-energy loser ... Good to see that our man Bernie kicks the f**k out of him.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2016, 11:11:55 AM »
« Edited: January 17, 2016, 11:15:18 AM by OC »

I think what this poll tells us, even if there is a late breaking Benghazi accusation, which there is no smoking gun, Clinton is well positioned to withstand it and beat it out, it wont derail her, and win. But, the potential for a wave to crest is there

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2016, 11:36:18 AM »

TRUMP is a low-energy loser ... Good to see that our man Bernie kicks the f**k out of him.

Bernie's numbers are no different than Carson's high GE numbers a few months back. The general public isn't that familiar with him yet.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2016, 11:39:06 AM »

TRUMP is a low-energy loser ... Good to see that our man Bernie kicks the f**k out of him.

Bernie's numbers are no different than Carson's high GE numbers a few months back. The general public isn't that familiar with him yet.

The socialists struggle to get more than 25% in Tender's own country of Austria. He's delusional if he thinks a proud socialist could win Northern Virginia or Philly suburb swing voters in America.

Of course, Tender has become increasingly right-wing and fascistic in the past twelve months, so maybe he only supports Sanders to increase the chances of Ted Cruz or Donald TRUMP winning.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2016, 11:43:36 AM »

I think what this poll tells us, even if there is a late breaking Benghazi accusation, which there is no smoking gun, Clinton is well positioned to withstand it and beat it out, it wont derail her, and win. But, the potential for a wave to crest is there

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What this actually shows us is that Bernie is about 7 points higher in beating TRUMP than Hillary...
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2016, 11:58:42 AM »

Hilary will be attacked on Benghazi and Sanders on socialism and single payer health, both have flaws, but are better than GOP, in Congress or WH
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2016, 12:07:45 PM »

TRUMP is a low-energy loser ... Good to see that our man Bernie kicks the f**k out of him.

Bernie's numbers are no different than Carson's high GE numbers a few months back. The general public isn't that familiar with him yet.

The socialists struggle to get more than 25% in Tender's own country of Austria. He's delusional if he thinks a proud socialist could win Northern Virginia or Philly suburb swing voters in America.

Of course, Tender has become increasingly right-wing and fascistic in the past twelve months, so maybe he only supports Sanders to increase the chances of Ted Cruz or Donald TRUMP winning.

Hah, what a bullsh*t.

I have posted common-sense policies and arguments over the last year, while it was the mainstream European parties and their politicians who were living in a naive fantasy-world.

Now they are overrun by the ghosts that they called once and their crimes and of which they cannot get rid anymore. I have warned about this stuff for over a year now and everything has become reality.

It's actually you, Lief, which has turned into a full-blown right-wing fascist troll and Trump supporter.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2016, 12:18:04 PM »

I cannot see Sanders performing that well or winning at all, even against Trump. Not being able to back up his plans with numbers would be a major problem.
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2016, 12:29:33 PM »

I will wait until PPP releases its weekend poll of North Carolina to project maps of Clinton vs. Trump and Sanders vs. Trump. Maybe we will have some Quinnipiac polls of Colorado, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and/or Wisconsin.

Splitting the undecided vote two-to-one in favor of Trump (because the undecided vote is most likely among R-leaning voters, one gets

Clinton 54-Trump 46
Sanders 56-Trump 44

 
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2016, 12:33:20 PM »

272 blue wall expanding and Virginia probably for GOP, is gone if Trump is nominated.
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2016, 12:35:56 PM »

TRUMP is a low-energy loser ... Good to see that our man Bernie kicks the f**k out of him.

Bernie's numbers are no different than Carson's high GE numbers a few months back. The general public isn't that familiar with him yet.

The socialists struggle to get more than 25% in Tender's own country of Austria. He's delusional if he thinks a proud socialist could win Northern Virginia or Philly suburb swing voters in America.

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Ben Carson has no experience in public office. Sanders hasn't made many mistakes, and Carson is making the sorts of blunders that political neophytes make.

Northern Virginia has large numbers of people more concerned with keeping spending levels up than in cutting taxes. They are often government employees or contractors.
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2016, 12:36:49 PM »

Why does Sanders better than Hillary against The Donald? That sounds crazy.
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2016, 12:40:24 PM »

Lol, when Trump leads, "the national polls mean nothing this far out" when it's far easier to say in this case because Trump is the one who controls tge dynamics of the race.
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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2016, 12:44:26 PM »

Why does Sanders better than Hillary against The Donald? That sounds crazy.

No one is talking about him or even dissecting his plans (because he hasn't released many specifics). So right now he's whatever the voters want him to be.
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2016, 12:44:34 PM »

Nobody's going to win this election by more than 7 points, much less 10 or 15 points.
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2016, 01:20:05 PM »

Nobody's going to win this election by more than 7 points, much less 10 or 15 points.
Obama won by more than 7...
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2016, 03:14:42 PM »

TRUMP's favorables have risen from the high teens to the high thirties in the past six months, let's not forget.
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2016, 04:14:36 PM »

Nobody's going to win this election by more than 7 points, much less 10 or 15 points.

I think Cruz loses by 10-15%, which is basically the modern day floor and equivalent to Goldwater.  For Trump, a 2/3rds chance he loses by 10-15% and a 1/3rd chance he wins by 1-4% IMO.

I see no evidemce for this in the polling, and Cruz is a good debater/campaigner.  He'll do better than McCain 08, I believe.
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2016, 04:18:35 PM »

Nobody's going to win this election by more than 7 points, much less 10 or 15 points.

I think Cruz loses by 10-15%, which is basically the modern day floor and equivalent to Goldwater.  For Trump, a 2/3rds chance he loses by 10-15% and a 1/3rd chance he wins by 1-4% IMO.

There is not a chance in bloody hell Ted loses anywhere close to 10-15%. His absolute floor would be a -6% in the GE, and that's if he gets shredded in the last couple of months debate wise and what not (not happening).
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2016, 05:05:57 PM »

The GOP is probably gonna lose this election and 272'266 gets Dems there. But, they can lose like Romney did in 2012, and lose by about 5 pts
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