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« on: May 17, 2005, 01:54:33 PM »

Taking into account the amount of M.P.s who lost their seats at the election (mainly Labour). Which former M.P.s will return in safer pastures for their parties either at a by election or at the next General Election.

Also I dont think any of the defeated Mps in 2001 made a return to politics. Anybody know what happened to them ?

Possible Re-treads :

Labour :

Lorna Fitsimmons (Rochdale) - Yes
Keith Bradley (Manchester Withington)
Peter Bradley ( The Wrekin)- Yes
Oona King (Bethnal Green & Bow) - Definately
Nigel Beard (Bexleyheath & Crayford)
Alan Hurst (Braintree)
Valerie Davey (Bristol West)
Anne Campbell (Cambridge)
Jon Owen-Jones (Cardiff Central)
Gareth Thomas (Clwyd West)
Geraint Davies ( Croyden Central )
John Lyons ( Dunbartonshire East )
Iain Luke (Dundee East )
Stephen Twigg ( Enfield Southgate ) - Yes
Candy Atherton (Falmouth)
Chris Pond (Gravesham)
Ivan Henderson  ( Harwich)
Tony Mcwalter (Hemel Hempstead)
John Cryer (Hornchurch)- A cert
Barbara Roche (Hornsey & Wood Green)
Linda Perham (Ilford North)
David Stewart ( Inverness)
Phil Sawford (Kettering)
Brian White ( Milton Keynes North East)
Huw Edwards (Monmouth) - bbc newsreader ?
Calum Mcdonald  (western Isles)
Tony Clarke (Northampton South)- Yes favourable boundary change
Helen Clark (Peterborough)- No chance in any party
Tony Colman (Putney)
Andy King (Rugby)
Lawrie Quinn (Scarborough)
Chris Leslie (Shipley) - yes
Kerry Pollard (St Albans)
Paul Stinchcombe (Wellingborough)
Melanie Johnson (Welwyn-Hatfield) - YES
Roger Casale (Wimbledon)

Conservative :

Adrian Flook (Taunton) Yes still youg
John Taylor (Solihull)

Liberal Democrat :

Brian Cotter (Weston Super Mare)
Sue Doughty (Guildford)
David Rendell (Newbury) - Would have been last election anyway
Matthew Green (Ludlow) - cert to fight again
Parmjit Singh Gill (Leicester South)

Plaid Cymru:

Simon Thomas (Ceredigion)- cert to stand again
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2005, 08:13:48 AM »

I'd like to think that most of the backbench Labour MP's who lost in 2005 will fight the same constituencies in 2009/10. We lost some good constituency MPs thanks to feckless Labour voters going to the Lib Dems, and providing the economy stays on track and public services improve, these MPs will be in with a very good chance when these Labour votes come home

However, I expect that the high-flyers (former junior ministers) will return to the Commons in safer pastures

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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2005, 08:16:42 AM »

Helen Clark has joined the Tories, I hear.
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2005, 08:31:52 AM »


Apparently so! Do you think they'll field her as a candidate somewhere?

I hope so, she's a bloody liability that woman!

Furthermore, she's deceiving herself if she thinks the Tories' will become an all-inclusive party under a new leader. That ain't gonna happen until Thatcher is 12-feet under and even then (my memories serve me well Wink ), I won't be convinced

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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2005, 08:36:50 AM »


Apparently so! Do you think they'll field her as a candidate somewhere?

I hope so, she's a bloody liability that woman!

Furthermore, she's deceiving herself if she thinks the Tories' will become an all-inclusive party under a new leader. That ain't gonna happen until Thatcher is 12-feet under and even then (my memories serve me well Wink ), I won't be convinced

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I don't think Thatcher is a Mortal. Smiley

I don't know enough about Clark...I've seen it mentioned several times that she "seems to struggle" (from 2001 that one), "is our own greatest enemy" etc, but I don't know what it's all about. Still, given these comments I don't see them field her in a marginal...and depending on what's behind it, probably not in any safe seat either.
They might field her in a secure Labour seat as a publicity stunt, though.
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2005, 11:00:48 AM »

Labour;

Lorna Fitsimmons (Rochdale) - Yes. Especially bearing in mind the way she lost.
Keith Bradley (Manchester Withington) -Maybe.
Peter Bradley ( The Wrekin)- Yes. Boundary changes hurt him in his old seat though.
Oona King (Bethnal Green & Bow) - Probably... although bearing in mind some of the stuff that happend to her during the campaign I wouldn't blame her if she doesn't.
Nigel Beard (Bexleyheath & Crayford)- He'll probably run in Bexleyheath again...
Alan Hurst (Braintree)- Dunno
Valerie Davey (Bristol West)- Dunno
Anne Campbell (Cambridge)- Probably not
Jon Owen-Jones (Cardiff Central)- Doubt it
Gareth Thomas (Clwyd West)- Probably
Geraint Davies ( Croyden Central )- Probably
John Lyons ( Dunbartonshire East )- Dunno
Iain Luke (Dundee East )- Probably...
Stephen Twigg ( Enfield Southgate ) - Yes
Candy Atherton (Falmouth) - Doubt it. Not in Falmouth anyway.
Chris Pond (Gravesham) - No idea
Ivan Henderson ( Harwich) - Maybe
Tony Mcwalter (Hemel Hempstead) -Dunno
John Cryer (Hornchurch)- I'd be stunned if he doesn't
Barbara Roche (Hornsey & Wood Green)- probably not
Linda Perham (Ilford North) - Dunno
David Stewart ( Inverness) -Dunno. He'll probably try for list MSP or something
Phil Sawford (Kettering) -Yep. Boundary changes are *very* nice to Labour in Kettering IIRC
Brian White ( Milton Keynes North East) -Don't know
Huw Edwards (Monmouth) - He's run in every Westminster in Monmouth for ages.
Calum Mcdonald  (western Isles)- No
Tony Clarke (Northampton South)- Yes favourable boundary change
Helen Clark (Peterborough)- Yes... I suspect she'll try... but any consitituency party/etc who pick her would need they're heads examined.
Tony Colman (Putney) -I hope so. He's a nice guy and didn't deserve to lose. Probably not in Putney again though.
Andy King (Rugby)- Dunno. Boundary changes take Kenilworth (very rich, very Tory) out of his old seat, so maybe.
Lawrie Quinn (Scarborough)- Dunno
Chris Leslie (Shipley) - I'd be stunned if he doesn't.
Kerry Pollard (St Albans)- No idea
Paul Stinchcombe (Wellingborough)- Probably
Melanie Johnson (Welwyn-Hatfield) - Yes. Not in Welwyn-Hatfield though...
Roger Casale (Wimbledon)- Dunno

Conservative :

Adrian Flook (Taunton) Yes. The "Countryside" Annoyance will wanna make him run somewhere...
John Taylor (Solihull)- No

Liberal Democrat :

Brian Cotter (Weston Super Mare)
Sue Doughty (Guildford)
David Rendell (Newbury) - No
Matthew Green (Ludlow) - Yes. If not Westminster, Europe.
Parmjit Singh Gill (Leicester South)- Soulsby certainly hopes so Wink

Plaid Cymru:

Simon Thomas (Ceredigion)- Yes
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2005, 10:27:00 PM »

You guys forgot the three defeated MPs (all UUP members, at least as of the election) from Northern Ireland constituencies (Roy Beggs Jr. from East Antrim, David Burnside from South Antrim, and (then-, at least, I haven't heard if he has resigned or not) UUP leader David Trimble from Upper Bann.  Besides North Down, which seems like a reasonable target for the DUP in the next election by which time they will likely have further consolidated themselves as the hardline Unionist opposition in the area and would be tougher to hold if Lady Hermon stepped down, there aren't any green pastures left for the ("big double U", as in "big L" Liberals in Canada and Jesse Ventura the "little l" libertarian) Ulster Unionists.

As to whether or not those defeated MPs would run again in their own constituencies, I've gotten the sense that both Trimble and Burnside have big enough egos to do that.  I'm not sure about Beggs, but he had served as an MP since 1983 and may not feel a strong desire to run again.  Not that he'd have to worry much about going back to Westminster but he might be all "politicsed-out" (I know many politicians seem unsusceptable to that state but it does occur in some).  Whether or not he stands for reelection as an MLA in the next Assembly election will offer a hint as to his plans, although he could run and declare that to be his last election as politicians sometimes do.

If Burnside runs again, either for reelection to the Assembly or in a futile attempt to regain his Westminster seat, it may well be as a member of another party (possibly one built around himself and his ego) or as an Independent Unionist (or, officially, as an "Independent", since I don't think labels like "Independent Unionist" and "Independent Nationalist" are used officially anymore in Northern Ireland).  As for Trimble, I really don't know.  He could almost certainly get reelected to the Assembly from Upper Bann, but he could also probably get elected to the Assembly from some other seats where he might want to run for Parliament in the future, like North Down, South Antrim, or even South Belfast, where he could play spoiler to a DUP attempt to capture the seat and could put McDonnell in a squeeze between himself and Sinn Fein.  It would be interesting to see Trimble and Burnside run against each other in South Antrim in an Assembly election (or Westminster, but that would eliminate any shadow of a doubt as to whether the Democratic Unionists would hold the seat), but I doubt it will happen.  If Lady Hermon stepped aside for Trimble in North Down, he might have a shot of winning the seat, but it wouldn't be a very good one, especially if he hadn't tested the waters in an earlier election or had and had not made a good impression on the voters.  My guess is Trimble wouldn't want Hermon to step aside, but he might be willing to run there if the retired and the local party urged him to.

Sincerely,

Kevin Lamoreau

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2005, 07:28:32 AM »

I wouldn't expect Trimble to run again for the House of Commons, indeed I should expect him to become a member of the House of Lords.
Beggs may also be finished as far as Westminster is concerned.
Burnside will almost certainly stand again, though that may depend on the direction of the UUP after the leadership election.

BTW Disappointed Lady Hermon decided not to seek the leadership. I think she is a fine politician. Without her I expect the UUP will go hardline believing they can save themselves by becoming the new DUP.
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