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Question: Does uniting the right in Alberta mean the NDP is toast next election?
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NDP still might win, but will be a steep hill to climb
 
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NDP will likely win, UCP too extreme
 
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« Reply #1375 on: March 26, 2018, 09:58:43 PM »

There is a bog difference in the NDP number.
Perhaps the Ipsos numbers in Ontario is more for the provincial election than federal numbers.
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« Reply #1376 on: March 26, 2018, 10:44:04 PM »

There is a bog difference in the NDP number.
Perhaps the Ipsos numbers in Ontario is more for the provincial election than federal numbers.


Or maybe people are confusing the two as provincial is coming up soon as its true the Ontario numbers look more realistic for provincial than federal as least with respect to the Liberals and NDP.  The Tory numbers are actually almost identical in Ontario, 43% in Nanos, while 42% in Ipsos, but NDP vs. Liberals much different.
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« Reply #1377 on: March 27, 2018, 12:24:42 AM »

There is a bog difference in the NDP number.
Perhaps the Ipsos numbers in Ontario is more for the provincial election than federal numbers.


Nanos always has much lower for NDP than other pollsters (except just before an election) and Nik never hid his comtempt for them.
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« Reply #1378 on: March 28, 2018, 05:42:13 AM »

Wells on the Dipper mini-crisis.
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« Reply #1379 on: April 03, 2018, 02:20:31 AM »

I just had a flash. Why no party (the NDP, for exemple) never ran on a of dismantling communications companies (like Bell)?

Given how much they are hated, this would be a popular policy.
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« Reply #1380 on: April 03, 2018, 01:08:35 PM »

Interesting article by Eric Grenier on Trudeau's midterm slump http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-midmandate-polls-1.4597222 .  Looking at the past it seems he could certainly recover, but also just as easily slide further.  Usually parties recover by changing channels so probably needs to focus more on economic issues and less virtue signaling and maybe be in front of the camera a little less.  At the same time if Ford wins in Ontario that should help him there as Quebec and Atlantic Canada will likely go Liberal no matter what in most seats, BC will be a mix of the three parties, Prairies mostly Tory, so comes down to Ontario where unpopularity of Wynne is probably dragging him down.  Looking at past first term provincial governments, at this point, this is what I've found.

BC:

NDP in the 90s: Trailing by over 25 points, but did manage to come back and win in 1996 although this was before fixed election dates so had an extra year and also change of leader.

BC Liberals 2004:  I think 18 months out the BC Liberals were around 45% so close to what they got in 2005, but NDP was much lower than the 42% they got due to vote splits.  However, 12 months out, the NDP had pulled ahead and wasn't until the final four months the BC Liberals regained the lead.

SK:

NDP in 90s: Believe Romanow had a big lead at this point, but not sure if he went up or down.

Saskatchewan Party circa 2010: Brad Wall was polling north of 60% so similar to the results in 2011.

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NDP circa 2002:  NDP was in the lead but I believe polls showed things tighter than they actually were in 2003 so NDP gained.

ON:

Libs circa 1988: David Peterson had massive lead, but lost in 1990 on opportunistic early election call

NDP circa 1993: Trailing very badly in the polls, I believe below what they got in 1995, mind you Liberals not PCs were in the lead.

PCs circa 1998: I believe polls were tied or Liberals slightly ahead but in the final year PCs regained the lead and won in 1999.

Liberals circa 2006: Liberals tied or slightly ahead but in minority territory so did better in 2007 that polls at this point.

Actually in Ontario, since 1995, the governing party has always rebounded somewhat and the opposition in each case dropped a bit.

QC:

PLQ circa 2006: Charest trailing in the polls although starting to recover a bit.  I think the PLQ actually got roughly the same percentage as polls said in 2007, the big differnece is PQ plummeted while ADQ surged.

NB:

PCs circa 2002: PCs led by Bernard Lord had a massive lead in the polls while in 2003 they barely hung onto power

Liberals circa 2009: Liberals ahead in the polls, but plummeted after the Hydro-Quebec deal and ended up losing quite badly in 2010

PCs circa 2013: Were trailing by 20 points so recovered a bit but not enough to win in 2014.

PEI:

Liberals circa 2010: Had a 20 point lead so tightened although I think Liberal support only dropped a few points, but PCs surged by 10 points while third parties fell.  Liberals still won handidly in 2011 anyways.

NS:

NDP Circa 2012: Trailing badly in the polls but did even worse on election day.  Liberal support was pretty much bang on what they got but PCs climbed and NDP fell further.

Liberals circa 2016: Liberals had a 25 point + lead yet narrowed to only 3.5 points in 2017 election.

NL:

PCs circa 2006: PCs had big lead then, but grew even larger in 2007

So as you can see certainly Trudeau can eaisly recover to majority territory, but also the Tories (I don't think they are likely to get a majority BTW) could also climb into majority territory too based on history.  Ironically enough since the 80s, the Tories in every election save 1993 have always outperformed what polls showed them 18 months earlier even in the elections they lost.  For the Liberals they have underperformed their polls 18 months in every election save 2015 when they outperformed them (NDP underperformed there).
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« Reply #1381 on: April 03, 2018, 02:23:51 PM »

Speaking of Peterson, why on earth did he call that snap election in 1990? He had a massive majority so it's not like he could expect to improve on his 1987 result.
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« Reply #1382 on: April 03, 2018, 03:42:55 PM »

Speaking of Peterson, why on earth did he call that snap election in 1990? He had a massive majority so it's not like he could expect to improve on his 1987 result.

He saw the recession coming and knew that would hurt his poll numbers so wanted the election before then.  Same reason Harper in 2008 and Prentice in 2015 went.  In Harper's case it worked out okay (although I think he would have won a majority had he let the opposition take him down) and Prentice it didn't.
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« Reply #1383 on: April 07, 2018, 02:03:46 PM »

A year ago, I was lamenting that the Boy-Emperor would be with us until the 2030s and now it seems that the only thing that might save his hide is... Doug Ford.

Funny world we live in.
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« Reply #1384 on: April 07, 2018, 07:08:05 PM »

Ontarians tend to vote for the opposite party that is in power federally. 2003 & 2007 are the only recent exceptions.



You mean 2015, not 2007 as then we had a federal Conservative government.

I meant in provincial elections.
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« Reply #1385 on: April 07, 2018, 08:49:34 PM »

The mayor of Trois-Rivières, Yves Lévesque, could finally make a move to federal politics in 2019. The news speculated with the Conservatives but he had talks with both the Liberals and Conservatives in previous elections.
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« Reply #1386 on: April 08, 2018, 04:56:11 PM »

Kinder Morgan news.
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« Reply #1387 on: April 09, 2018, 01:59:16 PM »

A year ago, I was lamenting that the Boy-Emperor would be with us until the 2030s and now it seems that the only thing that might save his hide is... Doug Ford.

Funny world we live in.


Go Doug Ford then



Trudeau is he worst Canadian PM at least since WW2
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« Reply #1388 on: April 09, 2018, 02:10:58 PM »

A year ago, I was lamenting that the Boy-Emperor would be with us until the 2030s and now it seems that the only thing that might save his hide is... Doug Ford.

Funny world we live in.


Go Doug Ford then



Trudeau is he worst Canadian PM at least since WW2

It's been 2 1/2 years and he hasn't done anything particularly memorable from an historical perspective. I don't like him but Trudeau Sr. and Mulroney are much better candidates for worst PM depending on your politics. (It's not a left right thing either. Trudeau and Mulroney both did stuff to upset their respective sides)
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« Reply #1389 on: April 18, 2018, 08:05:22 AM »

Nanos has the Liberals in the 40's again, so the India debacle may have sorted itself out on its own. Will have to see if other polls confirm.
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« Reply #1390 on: April 19, 2018, 01:44:58 AM »

Tories next time they get in power should deregulate the media



If CBC is good enough they should be able to handle new competition
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« Reply #1391 on: April 19, 2018, 02:39:15 AM »

Tories next time they get in power should deregulate the media



If CBC is good enough they should be able to handle new competition

Canadian media is very deregulated. Only reason CBC has not much competition is because Bell, Rogers and Quebecor owns the great majority of TV channels. They just bought out the other players.
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« Reply #1392 on: April 19, 2018, 08:31:10 AM »

Why hasn't this troll been banned yet?
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« Reply #1393 on: April 19, 2018, 03:04:50 PM »

Why hasn't this troll been banned yet?

Don't be rude, this is not a troll, just a Fox News viewer.
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« Reply #1394 on: April 20, 2018, 07:34:30 AM »

Six of one ... Tongue
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« Reply #1395 on: April 20, 2018, 09:19:53 AM »

The Liberals are disciplining Scott Simms for voting with the Tories on the abortion motion by removing him from his committee chair. The NDP have backed down from disciplining David Christopherson for the same thing.
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« Reply #1396 on: April 22, 2018, 12:01:01 AM »

Mainstreet Research will have a big poll out next week for each province and federally.  Will be interesting if it shows Tories ahead like some have or Liberals well ahead as Nanos does as it seems there is little consensus on federal polling.  Mind you digging deeper into the Nanos numbers suggests there are a lot of soft supporters on the fence so maybe that is why.  Claimed there was a Kinder Morgan surprise so will be interesting what this is.  Have the BC Liberals regained the lead in BC or have the NDP either pulled ahead or significantly closed the gap in Alberta?
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« Reply #1397 on: April 22, 2018, 05:54:00 AM »

The Supreme Court upheld New Brunswick's liquor laws in R v. Comeau. My dream of importing cheap booze is dead Tongue
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« Reply #1398 on: April 22, 2018, 03:26:15 PM »

Grit MP Francis Drouin has been accused of sexual assault in Halifax, he says he's cooperating with police. No PMO comment.  Former Tory MP Keith Ashfield has died at 66.
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« Reply #1399 on: April 25, 2018, 10:19:33 AM »

Mainstreet has their first part of their mega poll and BC is now out on scribd.com.  Quite interesting.  The horse race in BC only for federal parties is as follows:

Cons 39%
Libs 25%
NDP 20%
Greens 13%

While provincially looks like some movement over the pipeline as other polls seem to be hinting.  That being said with no other direct polls, it would be nice to get confirmation to see if this is the result of real movement or just noise.  Either way if the numbers are true, it makes sense on where the parties stand on PR.  BC Liberal majority under FTFP, while nail biter between centre-right (BC Liberals + BC Conservatives) and centre-left (NDP + Greens) under PR.

BC Libs 37%
NDP 31%
Greens 17%
BC Cons 13%

So centre-right is 50% and centre-left is 48%, which is actually pretty close to what it was in 2013, but well off last election.  Off course always best to view this one with a bit of skepticism.  Tomorrow Alberta and national are out although a Jan Brown poll just on the issues seems to hint the pipeline is not doing the NDP any favours while UCP leading on who is best to handle different issues by a sizeable margin but no horse race numbers.  Insights West and Angus-Reid also both show most in BC are now for the pipeline and support has risen.
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