1928 Mock Election

[Erc]

Hoover, New York (state I'm registered in).

Take that, Smith!  You ain't gonna win your home state...

[In retrospect, however, Smith might have been a decent President.  Hard to say, though.]

[A18]

Rep 104, Dem 32, Tie 402

Popular Vote
Hoover - 8 - 61.5%, Smith - 4 - 30.8%, Other - 1 - 7.7%

Alright. New rule: no changing votes. I'm counting Frodo's as Hoover as the one exception.

[PBrunsel]

And I hope all people voting for Hoover know he was a big government interventionist who encouraged a disgusting campaign of religious bigotry and wanted to ban alcohol.

Point One- Hoover at least had the idea that you can't just say, "Your starving because your lazy." If you wantred a red Revolution by 1932 then go ahead with what you are saying. Hoover had a heart. He hated to see men, women, and most of all children starving. That is why he tried to help durring the Depression.

Point Two- Hoover did not encourage the anti-Catholic Bigotry against Smith. In fact, he even attacked it in a speech in Salt Lake City in October 1928. He stated that all men had the right of free ideas and free religion. When brought an anti-Catholic Pamphlet from one of his campaign managers he took it out of the man's hand, tore it up, and told him to stop priniting them. You shouldn't call such a warm hearted and exceptiing man like Herbert Hoover a bigot unless you can back it up with facts.

Prohibition was supported by Hoover because he was a Quaker. It was also supported by a majority of Americans and a majority of democrats. Why the heck do you think they chose Joseph Robenson as Smith's running mate? He was a dry!

Next time before you attack someone back it up with evidence my friend.

[Blue Rectangle]

I have to go with Hoover, even though there's some points in Smith's favor.

[Rob]

Point One- Hoover at least had the idea that you can't just say, "Your starving because your lazy." If you wantred a red Revolution by 1932 then go ahead with what you are saying. Hoover had a heart. He hated to see men, women, and most of all children starving. That is why he tried to help durring the Depression.

Hoover's policies didn't help, period. They didn't even boost morale among the populace.

Point Two- Hoover did not encourage the anti-Catholic Bigotry against Smith. In fact, he even attacked it in a speech in Salt Lake City in October 1928. He stated that all men had the right of free ideas and free religion. When brought an anti-Catholic Pamphlet from one of his campaign managers he took it out of the man's hand, tore it up, and told him to stop priniting them. You shouldn't call such a warm hearted and exceptiing man like Herbert Hoover a bigot unless you can back it up with facts.

Your anecdotes may or may not be true. That's not important. Here are the facts: he knew of the hate campaign conducted against Smith; he could have stopped it completely; he didn't. He knew that anti-Catholic sentiment was a useful electoral tool, especially in the South and the depressed farm belt. He was a politician.  He obviously didn't have to personally attack Smith for being a Catholic- his party did it for him.

Prohibition was supported by Hoover because he was a Quaker. It was also supported by a majority of Americans and a majority of democrats. Why the heck do you think they chose Joseph Robenson as Smith's running mate? He was a dry!

Irrelevant. Prohibition was an intrusive government policy that spawned massive amounts of crime. I don't care how popular it was in 1928 .

[Ebowed]

Irrelevant. Prohibition was an intrusive government policy that spawned massive amounts of crime. I don't care how popular it was in 1928.

Agreed.  The Vietnam War was more popular and had less protesters in 1965 than it did in 1972, too... does that mean Vietnam wasn't a mistake?

[Jake]

PA - Hoover

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

MN - Smith

The main reason Smith turned against the New Deal is he had a person grudge with FDR, which got even worse after FDR won (easy to see why, he was the governor of NY who lost in a landslide to Hoover, FDR was the governor of NY who beat him in a landslide). Had he won I think he'd be a decent president.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

SC - Al Smith

[True Democrat]

Rep 104, Dem 32, Tie 402

Popular Vote
Hoover - 8 - 61.5%, Smith - 4 - 30.8%, Other - 1 - 7.7%

Alright. New rule: no changing votes. I'm counting Frodo's as Hoover as the one exception.

You forgot my post.  I am Pennsylvania, Hoover.

[A18]

Rep 104, Dem 32, Tie 402

Popular Vote
Hoover - 8 - 61.5%, Smith - 4 - 30.8%, Other - 1 - 7.7%

Alright. New rule: no changing votes. I'm counting Frodo's as Hoover as the one exception.

You forgot my post.  I am Pennsylvania, Hoover.

No I didn't. Pennsylvania was tied between Hoover and that guy New Federalist voted for, which is why it's gray.

[PBrunsel]

Bob, let's not forget that anti-African American hate speech was used against Hoover. As secretary of Commerce Hoover ended the flood crisis in the State of Mississippi. The Democrats then produced a picture [fake one at that] of Hoover dancing with a black woman. This caused a backlash against Hoover in several southern states. Whether Smith was for this or not [I am sure he was against it with him being a honorabale man] is unknown. He never said anything about it. Hoover did openly attack the anti-Cathloic bigotry against Smith.

[A18]

Rep 134, Dem 42, Tie 362

Popular Vote
Hoover - 10 - 58.8%, Smith - 6 - 35.3%, Other - 1 - 5.9%

[Rob]

PBrunsel, racist attacks were made on Smith as well- not by the GOP, but by southern Democrats bolting the party. They claimed he was in favor of "race-mixing", among other things.

That was a nasty campaign all around. When Smith traveled into Oklahoma, the KKK burned crosses by the train tracks. One preacher told his congregation that if they voted for Al Smith, they were "voting for the devil and you'll go to Hell".

I agree that Hoover didn't personally share these prejudices, but his campaign sanctioned them. He disliked the attacks for their style- he thought it was beneath him. As an astute politician, however, he knew that the "religious issue" helped him greatly.

[PBrunsel]

I agree that Hoover didn't personally share these prejudices, but his campaign sanctioned them. He disliked the attacks for their style- he thought it was beneath him. As an astute politician, however, he knew that the "religious issue" helped him greatly.

Let's not forget Hoover was an engineer, not a politician.

I think Al Smith would have been a fine President. I do not dislike him at all. If American History had played out with Hoover from 1929-1933 and then Smith from 1933-1941 or whenever, that would have been much better than FDR being in office.

[Rob]

I think Al Smith would have been a fine President. I do not dislike him at all. If American History had played out with Hoover from 1929-1933 and then Smith from 1933-1941 or whenever, that would have been much better than FDR being in office.

I agree. I'm a huge Smith fan, but I would have voted for Hoover in 1932 against FDR.

[The Dowager Mod]

Norman Thomas

[bgwah]

Herbert Hoover


Closest thing America has ever had to a Northwestern president! grant lived in washington for a while but he's a bitch


I've always thought it would be cool if we could have a mock election like the one dave did for 2004 for every election!

[DanielX]

Maryland - Al Smith


Not great choices, but hopefully that way the Dems will be blamed for the Depression and some right-wing Republican will in in '32....

[A18]

Virginia - Al Smith

[bgwah]

Virginia - Al Smith

Are you making the states where people vote for 3rd parties green??

(You have to change the year to 1968 or some other year where a 3rd party won some states on the EV calc to do that, btw...)

[A18]

Rep 145, Dem 42, Soc 10, Tie 341

Popular Vote
Hoover - 11 - 52.4%, Smith - 8 - 38.1%, Other - 2 - 9.5%

[Ben Meyers]

The race is getting closer. . .

[A18]

We need at least one voter from each state for the map to look right.

[ATFFL]

Hoover - NC