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Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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Senator Cris
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Structure, size and elections of Senate/House (Debating)
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October 09, 2015, 08:01:25 AM »
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This thread will be about structure and size of the Senate.
Constitution articles about it:
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SUSAN CRUSHBONE
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Re: Structure and size of Senate.
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October 09, 2015, 08:36:19 AM »
might be an interesting idea to replace the senate with an amalgam of every regional legislature, meeting together. would certainly rekindle interest in regional governments, although obviously there'd have to be some kind of regulation on the sizes of regional legislatures.
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Senator Cris
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Re: Structure and size of Senate.
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October 09, 2015, 08:47:15 AM »
If someone wants to discuss about bicameralism, this is the right thread.
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Lincoln Republican
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Re: Structure and size of Senate.
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In my view, a bicameral legislature is not practical for Atlasia at this time.
I do not believe we should be adding another layer of government to consider and debate legislation, unless increased activity warrants such a move.
If we do go to three regions, then we should have a Senate of nine, in order to have three Senators per region.
I realize there may be some who would prefer two Senators per region, for a Senate of six.
Both of these options should be considered.
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Associate Justice PiT
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Re: Structure and size of Senate.
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October 09, 2015, 03:39:25 PM »
Quote from: low-energy loser evergreen on October 09, 2015, 08:36:19 AM
might be an interesting idea to replace the senate with an amalgam of every regional legislature, meeting together. would certainly rekindle interest in regional governments, although obviously there'd have to be some kind of regulation on the sizes of regional legislatures.
This is a really cool idea, and one that I would support. It would efficiently cut down on the number of offices while also maintaining a real place for the regions.
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Classic Conservative
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Re: Structure and size of Senate.
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October 09, 2015, 03:44:26 PM »
Quote from: low-energy loser evergreen on October 09, 2015, 08:36:19 AM
might be an interesting idea to replace the senate with an amalgam of every regional legislature, meeting together. would certainly rekindle interest in regional governments, although obviously there'd have to be some kind of regulation on the sizes of regional legislatures.
Thing is it would be very confusing, I couldn't really support this I thing the two regional senators per region and then 2 at large senators would be a much better idea.
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Unconditional Surrender Truman
Harry S Truman
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Re: Structure and size of Senate.
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October 09, 2015, 07:09:23 PM »
As I said in the Regional thread, we really need to wipe the slate clean before rebuilding the government. I therefore propose the following amendment:
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Senator Cris
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Re: Structure and size of Senate.
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Quote from: Senator Truman on October 09, 2015, 07:09:23 PM
As I said in the Regional thread, we really need to wipe the slate clean before rebuilding the government. I therefore propose the following amendment:
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 10, 2015, 02:52:23 AM »
We can
definitely
accommodate bicameralism in the new game - as I have explained like fifty-eight times at this point -
but it will require firm regulation
as to how many (legislative) offices each region can have at a given time, preferably through a formula that reduces the number of legislators for a region if it becomes either too small or too large as a percentage of the game's population.
Something like:
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Idea #1 (My Favorite Idea)
<25% of the game's population = 3 Legislators
25-40% of the game's population = 5 Legislators
>40% of the game's population = 3 Legislators
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Senator Cris
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 10, 2015, 02:53:17 AM »
I object to the Truman's amendment, only because Sections 5, 6, 7 of this Article are being discussed in another thread.
I'd suggest to wipe only Sections 1, 2, 3, 4 of this Article.
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Harry S Truman
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 10, 2015, 01:11:35 PM »
Quote from: Speaker Cris on October 10, 2015, 02:53:17 AM
I object to the Truman's amendment, only because Sections 5, 6, 7 of this Article are being discussed in another thread.
If my fellow delegates would prefer, I would be happy to introduce a separate amendment dealing with Sections 5, 6, and 7 in the Senate Powers thread.
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Marokai Backbeat
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 10, 2015, 03:20:54 PM »
I think there's room for bicameralism, especially with one of the houses being formed by the regions in some way which people have been arguing for in one form or another since like 2008, and I support the idea in theory, but the devil is in the details.
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 10, 2015, 03:29:13 PM »
I don't feel the problem with bicameralism is the number of offices, it's the legislative process.
Look, there are constant complains of the Senate legislative process being slow and "byzantine" to some, and considering the lenght of the terms it takes time to get things done. Wouldn't having two legislative chambers to debate the bills just slow down the legislative process too much?
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Senator Cris
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 10, 2015, 03:30:16 PM »
Quote from: Senator Truman on October 10, 2015, 01:11:35 PM
Quote from: Speaker Cris on October 10, 2015, 02:53:17 AM
I object to the Truman's amendment, only because Sections 5, 6, 7 of this Article are being discussed in another thread.
If my fellow delegates would prefer, I would be happy to introduce a separate amendment dealing with Sections 5, 6, and 7 in the Senate Powers thread.
I think it would be fine.
Should I interpretate that as a withdraw of your amendment and then a new amendment to wipe Sections 1, 2, 3, 4?
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Harry S Truman
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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Quote from: Speaker Cris on October 10, 2015, 03:30:16 PM
Quote from: Senator Truman on October 10, 2015, 01:11:35 PM
Quote from: Speaker Cris on October 10, 2015, 02:53:17 AM
I object to the Truman's amendment, only because Sections 5, 6, 7 of this Article are being discussed in another thread.
If my fellow delegates would prefer, I would be happy to introduce a separate amendment dealing with Sections 5, 6, and 7 in the Senate Powers thread.
I think it would be fine.
Should I interpretate that as a withdraw of your amendment and then a new amendment to wipe Sections 1, 2, 3, 4?
Yes, I withdraw my first amendment and introduce this one in its stead:
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Senator Cris
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 10, 2015, 04:36:17 PM »
Delegates have 24 hours to object to the new Truman's amendment.
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Associate Justice PiT
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 10, 2015, 05:25:44 PM »
Quote from: Trumpenproletariat on October 10, 2015, 02:52:23 AM
We can
definitely
accommodate bicameralism in the new game - as I have explained like fifty-eight times at this point -
but it will require firm regulation
as to how many (legislative) offices each region can have at a given time, preferably through a formula that reduces the number of legislators for a region if it becomes either too small or too large as a percentage of the game's population.
Something like:
Quote from: Trumpenproletariat on August 30, 2015, 03:00:37 AM
Idea #1 (My Favorite Idea)
<25% of the game's population = 3 Legislators
25-40% of the game's population = 5 Legislators
>40% of the game's population = 3 Legislators
Formula approach is nice, but it would probably benefit from also depending on the size of the country. Say, make the number of Legislators relate to the number of voters in the last Presidential election.
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Senator Cris
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 12, 2015, 10:43:06 AM »
The amendment has been adopted.
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Senator Cris
Cris
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 12, 2015, 12:20:22 PM »
When speaking of Senate, this is my preferred plan:
- 3 regions;
- 7 Senate seats: 3 per region and 1 elected At-Large.
At-Large elections for 5 seats are one of the evils of this game. At-Large elections for 1 seat are one of the most beautiful things of this game, so this is my preferred plan.
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Fmr. Pres. Duke
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 12, 2015, 02:19:13 PM »
6 member senate and a 9-11 member House of Representatives. One elected entirely at large and the other entirely at the regional level. We've had this plan in place for years. Now is the time to implement it.
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Talleyrand
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 12, 2015, 03:22:43 PM »
Bicameralism is totally unsustainable (and I say this as someone who thinks it would be enjoyable), and we need to be cutting down the number of offices, not increasing them.
I have two proposals here.
If we are going with 3 regions-
3 regional Senators in Class A elected with the president.
6 district Senators (2 per region) elected in Class B midterms.
If we are going with 2 regions.
4 district senators (2 per region) elected with the President.
5 at-large Senators elected in the Class B midterms.
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Fmr. Pres. Duke
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 12, 2015, 03:27:31 PM »
The plan that implements a bicameral government does not increase the amount of offices. I wrote a full memo explaining this years ago. I'd never advocate any system where we increase the number of offices. We have too many already.
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Talleyrand
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 12, 2015, 03:54:19 PM »
Quote from: Duke on October 12, 2015, 03:27:31 PM
The plan that implements a bicameral government does not increase the amount of offices. I wrote a full memo explaining this years ago. I'd never advocate any system where we increase the number of offices. We have too many already.
Alright, but remind me how big of a change that would create again (I don't really remember). The plan I've proposed would create somewhere between 24-30 offices total.
The other issue with bicameralism is that with such a big federal government, you might see the same bills stay bogged down in the legislature for a long period of time over technicalities. I do like the idea of some organized partisanship or the like, but I feel like it would be hard to work through in this game.
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Harry S Truman
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 12, 2015, 03:57:02 PM »
As much as I think bicameralism would be fun, I worry that it would slow the legislative process while only minimally reducing the number of offices.
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Re: Structure, size and elections of Senate.
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October 12, 2015, 04:02:16 PM »
Quote from: Senator Truman on October 12, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
As much as I think bicameralism would be fun, I worry that it would slow the legislative process while only minimally reducing the number of offices.
It's not like we're in a hurry to push through bills dealing with real crises. Slowing the legislative process is alright if it makes the game more fun.
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