Opinion of Third Wave Feminism

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[NeverAgain]

I don't even know about the first two...

[PJ]

I don't even know about the first two...

First wave feminism focused on women's suffrage and equal property rights in the late 19th century and earlier 20th century.

Second wave feminism expanded the goals of feminism to address sexual freedom and combatted some of the ways in which the nuclear family restricted women's rights (such as the prevalence of marital rape). Second wave was also responsible for the unsuccessful push for the ERA.

Third wave feminism originated around the 1990's, and is what could arguably be described as "modern" feminism. It became more inclusive of transgender rights and freedom of gender identity.

To answer the question, I consider myself a feminist, as I'm supportive of equal rights for women and not under the illusion that this has already been achieved. While third wave feminism brought some needed aspects of the movement to public discussion, it was also a step backwards from second wave feminism in some respects as well, most notably the shunning of acts like pornography and sex work as anti-feminist activity.

[Blue3]

Isn't one of the waves of feminism about women being superior, and the need to liberate women from men?

[PJ]

Isn't one of the waves of feminism about women being superior, and the need to liberate women from men?

Unless you believe MRA nuts, no.

[Bigby]

Check your movement.

[DavidB.]

Horrible Movement. The only things that are good about it are the things PJ doesn't like: the criticism of pornography and prostitution. But you don't really need feminism for that. You just need to respect women (normal).

Feminism and individualism/progressivism in general have led to the crazy situation in which for many, Miley Cyrus twerking almost nude in front of some rapper's d**k has become some sort of symbol of (sexual) liberation whereas a classy woman dressing modestly is often pitied or seen as "old-fashioned". This attitude is unhealthy for individuals (both men and women) and for society as a whole.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Horrible Movement , the ones I now call anything which is not politically  correct sexist and wants those things banned.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Horrible Movement. The only things that are good about it are the things PJ doesn't like: the criticism of pornography and prostitution. But you don't really need feminism for that. You just need to respect women (normal).

Feminism and individualism/progressivism in general have led to the crazy situation in which for many, Miley Cyrus twerking almost nude in front of some rapper's d**k has become some sort of symbol of (sexual) liberation whereas a classy woman dressing modestly is often pitied or seen as "old-fashioned". This attitude is unhealthy for individuals (both men and women) and for society as a whole.

Totally agree

[Frodo]

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This is one such explanation of the Third Wave.  

Here are aspects I can make sense of:

-women reclaiming their sexuality and femininity from male pornographic exploitation
-blurring of gender identity and gender roles
-global and multicultural reach (as opposed to the almost exclusively white, western, and middle class orientation of the first two movements)

So from what I can see and understand here, there is nothing here that I object to.  In fact, there is much that appeals to me.  But I desperately need to do some reading so I can render a properly informed opinion.  

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

While third wave feminism brought some needed aspects of the movement to public discussion, it was also a step backwards from second wave feminism in some respects as well, most notably the shunning of acts like pornography and sex work as anti-feminist activity.

Actually third-wave feminists tend to be pretty split on those issues, while second-wave ones (think of Catherine MacKinnon and Andrew Dworkin) were almost unanimously opposed.

[Antonio the Sixth]

FM (not a MRA)

[PJ]

While third wave feminism brought some needed aspects of the movement to public discussion, it was also a step backwards from second wave feminism in some respects as well, most notably the shunning of acts like pornography and sex work as anti-feminist activity.

Actually third-wave feminists tend to be pretty split on those issues, while second-wave ones (think of Catherine MacKinnon and Andrew Dworkin) were almost unanimously opposed.

I was thinking more of the attitudes of feminists during the sexual revolution as opposed to the SJW attitudes toward these activities today, but yeah, my post did neglect the feminists you mentioned.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The best Wave. The First Wave was very, err, focused around the, err, a certain class of women (and  many figures had the obsession with eugenics that all intellectuals from that period had) and the Second Wave was annoying, obsessed with genitalia and separatism. the Third Wave is much more grounded.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I don't even know anymore. There are many feminists who are good people, and many feminists who are unbearable. Oftentimes I find third-wave feminism to be quite petty and infuriatingly Amerocentric. So many different feminisms to choose from, too. Many of them where "the belief that men and women are equal and should be treated that way" has very little to do with the things that motivate them on a daily basis. There are plenty of double-standards that contradict that, too, from the way men can be objectified, but women cannot be, to defending Islam while loathing Western Christianity.

Of course, it's really impossible to hash these contradictions out, because every other feminist has a different idea of what the word means to them.

I stopped calling myself a feminist when it became clear to me that feminism was not being used by the ones with the megaphones as a way of empowering all women to do and say what they please, because empowering people to think and act freely is not a good way of perpetuating a movement. That kind of thing disperses pretty quickly. Instead you want people to think exactly like you. So it morphs into an ideology, with a strict dogma of its own. It develops specific moral codes and recommended behaviors. Suddenly you don't want women to choose whatever they want to do, you want them to choose what you want them to do. You want to build political power and influence when given opportunities, so naturally you defend people who you perceive as on your "team" like shameless hacks. And so it all snowballs into something very uncomfortable and weird that I want nothing to do with. Statements like "feminism is not about personal choice" really put me off, even as someone who understands where the sentiment behind that statement is coming from. At times it's really made me do some serious introspection on my identity as a Socialist.

There are so many feminists who have been enabled by the internet's ease of access who say and do bats**t things and you can't call them out for it. It's almost impossible. Disagreement is frequently perceived as attack (often because they do receive unfair attacks, and so they group them all together in their mind) and feelings make reality. Unfalsifiable social theories masquerade as hard science and suddenly we're talking about shaming undesirable media out of existence. I didn't sign up for a new moral majority, I wanted a skeptical, free-thinking, self-determining rallying cry. That's what feminists often say it is, and many probably sincerely believe. But this is often not how those with the influence express their positions.

I don't know. It's a weird thing. I will say that Crabcake makes a good point, if not necessarily intended to be the direction the point was going for. First and Second wave feminism are both vastly overrated. This is often done by MRAs in particular as a rhetorical device to talk some stupid nonsense about how "feminism has lost its way" or whatever. In reality, all waves of feminism have been infested by the classists, the racists, the hysterical, the warmongers and the peaceniks, the rabidly anti-sex, and so on. In comparison to those waves, I do agree the current wave is much preferred. But even so, there are aspects of it that I find troubling and conflict with my inquisitive nature.

I will always support the equality of the sexes. By which I mean, I will interact with and judge people irrespective of their gender, and advocate for equal protection under the law, as well as equal opportunities for both in all fields. I don't think of my position on gender rights as really being "left" or "right." Embellishing statistics, regulating personal relationships, criminalizing words, shaming media you don't like out of existence, it's just not my thing. As a baby liberal teenager I was always told that was what the authoritarian Right did, and us liberals wouldn't let that happen. I was very naive.

[Cory]

Marokai Besieged is on point as ususal.

[Famous Mortimer]

Third Wave feminism started in the 90s. It was different from Second Wave mainly is that it was cool with porn, having lots of sex, and not wearing a lot of clothes but insisting it was "just for fun, not for men."

I'm generally supportive of that concept.

What we're in the middle of now, with the rise of intersectionalism, is more like Fourth Wave Feminism. Although no one calls it that yet. Still, I think they probably should. It's different enough from the feminism of the 90s that it doesn't make sense to lump them together.

Although, modern "4th wave" intersectional feminism, or at least the dominant interpretation of it, is f ing terrible.

[Clark Kent]

Horrible Movement. The only things that are good about it are the things PJ doesn't like: the criticism of pornography and prostitution. But you don't really need feminism for that. You just need to respect women (normal).

Feminism and individualism/progressivism in general have led to the crazy situation in which for many, Miley Cyrus twerking almost nude in front of some rapper's d**k has become some sort of symbol of (sexual) liberation whereas a classy woman dressing modestly is often pitied or seen as "old-fashioned". This attitude is unhealthy for individuals (both men and women) and for society as a whole.

Totally agree

[NeverAgain]

Third Wave feminism started in the 90s. It was different from Second Wave mainly is that it was cool with porn, having lots of sex, and not wearing a lot of clothes but insisting it was "just for fun, not for men."

I'm generally supportive of that concept.

What we're in the middle of now, with the rise of intersectionalism, is more like Fourth Wave Feminism. Although no one calls it that yet. Still, I think they probably should. It's different enough from the feminism of the 90s that it doesn't make sense to lump them together.

Although, modern "4th wave" intersectional feminism, or at least the dominant interpretation of it, is f ing terrible.

[WVdemocrat]

Freedom movement.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Overall freedom movement. The emerging fourth wave, though, is monstrous.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Overall freedom movement. The emerging fourth wave, though, is monstrous.

What is the fourth wave

[ingemann]

Why should we have a opinion about waves of feminism or any version 3.00 for that matter, I listen to people suggestion and decide issue on issue whether I think something is a good idea. This is one these discussion which mean a lot in academia but have little effect on the real world.

[bagelman]

HM. Tainted and ruined by extremists who want to reverse the system, not equalize it. There are still "good" feminists fighting for equality, not superiority, but their movement has been so tainted that they might as well split off, maybe create a 4th wave of "rational" feminism.

That and I tend to automatically hate any movement who treats criticism as attack, and try to exclude certain groups from even having an opinion of it.

[SNJ1985]

http://www.soulwinning.info/evils/feminism/serpent.htm

http://www.albatrus.org/english/church-order/women-matters/a_biblical_response_to_the_feministic_agenda.htm

http://fathersforlife.org/feminism/feminism_terms_defined.htm

https://elliotlakenews.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/feminism-has-communist-roots/

https://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/the-ten-most-common-feminist-myths/