Europe-Middle East-Africa Refugee Crisis General Thread

[politicus]

On the new refugee routes and land mine risk in Croatia:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/croatia-landmines-pose-new-threat-to-refugees-09-24-2015

[Simfan34]

The Salzburg Red Cross is to build a couple state-of-the-art Scandinavian-style wooden houses for hundreds of asylum seekers in the next 2 months, for the price of 1 million €:

http://www.salzburg24.at/fluechtlinge-rotes-kreuz-errichtet-holzhaeuser-in-salzburg/4464122

State of the art wooden houses?

[ingemann]

The Salzburg Red Cross is to build a couple state-of-the-art Scandinavian-style wooden houses for hundreds of asylum seekers in the next 2 months, for the price of 1 million €:

http://www.salzburg24.at/fluechtlinge-rotes-kreuz-errichtet-holzhaeuser-in-salzburg/4464122

State of the art wooden houses?

Heat isolated for low energy use.

[DavidB.]

Heat isolated for low energy use.

Has Jeb Bush become a refugee as well?

[Tender Branson]

The Salzburg Red Cross is to build a couple state-of-the-art Scandinavian-style wooden houses for hundreds of asylum seekers in the next 2 months, for the price of 1 million €:

http://www.salzburg24.at/fluechtlinge-rotes-kreuz-errichtet-holzhaeuser-in-salzburg/4464122

State of the art wooden houses?

Heat isolated for low energy use.

Something like those:

http://www.holzbau-meiberger.at/de/was-wir-bauen/holzhaus-modern-3

[Beezer]

There's a rumor going around (started by Der Spiegel) that Merkel is willing to grant all Syrian refugees a 3 year residence permit with no questions asked (i.e. w/o any sort of asylum procedure). This is supposed to help speed up the asylum process for other applicants. Just like most other Merkel proposals, this is of course an unmitigated disaster since anyone able to afford a $800 Syrian passport would get an all expenses paid 3 year stay in Germany. The chancellery promptly denied the report but I wouldn't put it past the government to actually do this.

[DavidB.]

In the picturesque town of Oudenbosch, The Netherlands, ten people in a well-off neighborhood will be buying the entire land owned by a football club, which will cost 570,000 euros: the municipality had initially planned to build an asylum seeker center for 750 people on this land, but these people want to prevent this, fearing crime and a fall in the value of their houses.

In another town, Wezep, a "participation evening" - in which people can voice their opinion on controversial municipal plans - on the planned new asylum seeker center has been completely derailed. People became emotional or aggressive. PVV senatorial delegation leader Marjolein Faber attended the participation evening and wanted to speak, but was denied this opportunity since she doesn't live in Wezep and is not considered  a "party concerned". The participation evening was organized in a church. During the night before, the church got doubed with graffiti, saying "Nee AZC" ("no to the asylum seeker center") and a Star of David...

[ag]

In the past they would have used another symbol for those purposes.

[The Last Northerner]

In the past they would have used another symbol for those purposes.

They could still be the same people - Jews afraid of the refugees or Neo-Nazis trying to frame the Jews?

[ag]

In the past they would have used another symbol for those purposes.

They could still be the same people - Jews afraid of the refugees or Neo-Nazis trying to frame the Jews?

The worst thing is, some self-proclaimed Jews do not consider themselves framed.

[DavidB.]

They could still be the same people - Jews afraid of the refugees or Neo-Nazis trying to frame the Jews?

Not sure why they use this symbol, but for several reasons it's clear that it definitely isn't Jews who did this, lol. Most likely either teenagers with a negative opinion of both migrants and Jews (they probably never saw either of those groups, considering this is Wezep...) or real neo-nazis.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Well, the Syrian refugees are Semites, so it's not the most idiotic symbol to use.

[DavidB.]

Well, the Syrian refugees are Semites, so it's not the most idiotic symbol to use.

Yes, because a Star of David is generally associated with all Semites, rather than with only Jews. Good explanation...

That's also why Semites from some tribes might beat up Semites from another tribe for wearing a necklace with this particular symbol, which, of course, all Semitic tribes share.

[Beezer]

Apparently German officials are now worried that the next big wave of migrants will come from Afghanistan (with the country sustaining a monthly exodus of 100,000 people). http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article146898033/Neue-Fluechtlingswelle-aus-Afghanistan-befuerchtet.html

[politicus]

Apparently German officials are now worried that the next big wave of migrants will come from Afghanistan (with the country sustaining a monthly exodus of 100,000 people). http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article146898033/Neue-Fluechtlingswelle-aus-Afghanistan-befuerchtet.html

What are the trafficker routes from Afghanistan to Europe? Just via Iran, or something more complex?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Well, the Syrian refugees are Semites, so it's not the most idiotic symbol to use.

Yes, because a Star of David is generally associated with all Semites, rather than with only Jews. Good explanation...

That's also why Semites from some tribes might beat up Semites from another tribe for wearing a necklace with this particular symbol, which, of course, all Semitic tribes share.

I refrain from using a smiley to denote what I thought would be fairly obvious sarcasm, as this is what I get. Incidentally, the Star of David is a rather recent symbol, and is more a Zionist symbol than a Jewish one given its history.

[DavidB.]

Incidentally, the Star of David is a rather recent symbol, and is more a Zionist symbol than a Jewish one given its history.

I don't think it's up to you to decide what meaning the Star of David has for Jews, thank you very much.

[Horus]

Incidentally, the Star of David is a rather recent symbol, and is more a Zionist symbol than a Jewish one given its history.

I don't think it's up to you to decide what meaning the Star of David has for Jews, thank you very much.

I don't think that's what he was doing... but keep up the intentional self victimization. That's what your brand of Judaism is all about, is it not?

[DavidB.]

Incidentally, the Star of David is a rather recent symbol, and is more a Zionist symbol than a Jewish one given its history.

I don't think it's up to you to decide what meaning the Star of David has for Jews, thank you very much.

I don't think that's what he was doing... but keep up the intentional self victimization. That's what your brand of Judaism is all about, is it not?

Strong words for a "Jew" who doesn't even seem to have a "brand of Judaism". Hope you did some tshuva before Yom Kippur, because boy, you really need it... This has nothing to do with victimization, I couldn't be any prouder of my heritage. Has everything to do with self-respect, something you lack.

But I don't think this is related to the migrant crisis, so let's get on topic again.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Incidentally, the Star of David is a rather recent symbol, and is more a Zionist symbol than a Jewish one given its history.

I don't think it's up to you to decide what meaning the Star of David has for Jews, thank you very much.

Just making an observation on the use of the symbol. It never became universally and exclusively associated with Jews until the 19th century, and even now some of the Ultra-orthodox reject it's use.

[DavidB.]

Ok. Let's get back on topic. This video will not contribute to the popularity of the "refugees" in Denmark...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ed6_1442172474

[The Lord Marbury]

Crosspost from the Swedish politics thread since it's relevant here too.

In other news, a recent DN/Ipsos poll shows a major increase in the number of people who think we should take in more refugees than we already do compared to a poll taken in february.

Do you think that Sweden should take in more or less refugees than we do today?
Significantly more: 23% (+14)
Somewhat more: 21% (+4)
Neither more nor less: 20% (-13)
Don't know: 6% (+1)
Somewhat less: 14% (-2)
Significantly less: 16% (-4)

Are you concerned about....

...an increased number of refugees?
Yes: 39% (+9)
No: 57% (-11)

...xenophobia?
Yes: 71%
No: 27%

[Antonio the Sixth]

Sweden continues to be the best.

[dead0man]

Send 'em all there then, lets see how it plays out.

[DavidB.]

Send 'em all there then, lets see how it plays out.

I discussed this with a Swedish friend of mine and he was totally in favour of it. Sounds like a good deal.