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I also used it to demonstrate quite easily how sensitive "liberals" and "progressives" are to any mention of how well FDR did with Southerners (admit, your response was so predictable).

Of course it was predictable. I said your comment was intellectually dishonest because I found it intellectually dishonest, and you eventually admitted that in great part it had nothing to do with your point. I just don't like this way of debating, using provocation in order to support your argumentation.

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And what did you expect him to do ? Campaigning throughout the South saying "you racist bastards, please don't vote for me !" ? Roosevelt was a "consensus builder" because at the time democrats were totally dependent to the South, and taking anti-segregation stances at the time would have been a political suicide. As soon as a new progressive democratic coalition was buil, the party started to evolve on the Civil Rights issue BTW, the GOP could have campaigned for civil rights far before, and without any political risk. If there is a party which should be blamed for how late racial equality has been enforced in the US, it's definitely the GOP. And anyways, Roosevelt was as much as a liberal as a democrat could be at the time, and on a long term he made his party strong enough to be able to afford the loss of the South, and thus to abolish Segregation. Of course this is a personal opinion, but I think we could thank him a bit for what happened 30 years later.

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Well yes, but anyways I don't think segregation was a very important issue. The South considered it as granted since the beginning of the Century, and the North wasn't really willing to change this anymore.

My point is this is a "Post a Random Map" thread and I described what my random map was about, put a random factoid up (granted using the words "baby's daddy" was an easy provocation) and it has now evolved into a total bitchfest.

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Bitchfest ? It seemed to me that we were discussing.

Sorry it seems like at various times in your posts you seemed to sound like I offended you in some manner.
And also, reason why I bring up FDR so many times is that because to me liberal worship of FDR reminds me a lot of conservative worship of Reagan: misguided and tons of excuses made for both as to why they exemplify their ideologies when also being anything but in some cases.  I am just as annoyed by FDR being called "liberal" while he remained quiet on Civil Rights for his first 8 years just as much as I am annoyed by Reagan being called "conservative" while supporting massive deficit spending.
And (what do you know) Reagan seemed to do really well in the so-called "libertarian west".

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Bitchfest ? It seemed to me that we were discussing.

Sorry it seems like at various times in your posts you seemed to sound like I offended you in some manner.

Arguing against you is the same as bitching now ? I don't think I was using a particularly aggressive tone, I simply expressed a disagreement with what you said.
And while, as I said, I felt pretty annoyed by the way you started this debate, I always find worthwhile to discuss with you. So if you are interested in answering to my few points, feel free to do.

Sorry man, I had very little sleep that day and couldn't think coherently.
I'm being serious.

But still it's interesting how some of the data matches up that I've collected, like William Bryan, populist extraordinaire, being the best candidate in the American West.

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Democratic: 470
Republican:68

Hillary Clinton vs. Sarah Palin in 2012 in a Hillary wins in 2008 universe?

Pretty much.

Winning NE-03???

You do realize that's arguably the most Republican district in the nation, right?

Yeah, NE-03 is like western Kansas (to give you an idea of just how scary it is) only colder.

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Anyone care to take a gander?

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Anyone care to take a gander?

Something to do with either JFK or Bill Clinton most likely. Is it "Buchanan in 1996", or something?

Very good, but that's not it.

I'll give you a hint: you're two thirds right.

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Anyone care to take a gander?

Something to do with either JFK or Bill Clinton most likely. Is it "Buchanan in 1996", or something?

Very good, but that's not it.

I'll give you a hint: you're two thirds right.

OK, that means I have two options left: Perot in '96, or Buchanan in '92. Perot would seem credible if not for the fact that he carries Mississippi, however, I can't see Buchanan making it a tight race in states like Califonia and Maine. However, it has to be one of those two, right?

No.
Here's another hint: notice anything weird about the map?
That should help you.

It is pretty damn hard, so if you do find out what it is I'll be REALLY impressed.

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Anyone care to take a gander?

Well I have a 24 hour on this, so here goes:

This is a map that gauges the voting behavior of states in the 1928, 1960, and 1992 elections.    If you'll notice there is no Alaska, Hawaii, or DC since none of those places were on the electoral map at the time.  This is pretty much like TrueCon's earlier map, except different candidates and lighter colors (for a happier map!)  A bit random, but pretty interesting since it oddly resembles an alternate 1960 or 1968 electoral map (except the vote percentages, lol). Here is what the colors stand for:

Dark Red: Straight Democratic: Smith/Kennedy/Clinton
Light Red: Mostly Democratic: Hoover/Kennedy/Clinton, Smith/Nixon/Clinton, or Smith/Kennedy/Bush
Green: Smith/Unpledged/Bush
Light Blue: Mostly Republican: Smith/Nixon/Bush, Hoover/Kennedy/Bush, or Hoover/Nixon/Clinton
Dark Blue: Straight Republican: Hoover/Nixon/Bush

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Anybody care to take a gander?

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Anybody care to take a gander?

Okay here it is,

Post-Apocalyptic Murica

Pink: The Northern Confederation of States
Light Red: The Union of American Steelmakers
Red: The Eternal Hawaii Empire
Brick Red: The People's Democratic Republic of New York
Maroon: The Socialist Democratic Confederation of Southern New England
Period Red: Mos Eisley
Sky Blue: Cocainia
Blue: Republic of Suburbia
Darkest Blue: The Liberal Democracy of Greater Suburbia (+3 people)
Turquoise: The Republic of Cool People
Light Green: The Pacific Republic of Cool and Happening Dudes and Dudettes
Green: The Neo-Alaskan Republic of People Who Shoot Polar Bears
Dark Green: Satan's Vacation Home
Tan (or is it beige?): United Mormon Republic of Freewheeling Hippies and Johns
Yella: The Republic of New Texaco
Puke yellow (or is it gold?): Motherfuckerstan
Sh*tty looking orange: The United Eternal Kingdom of Our Lord Jebus
Brown: The Empire of Butts
White: Republic of Arizona for White People Only
Blank: Apocalyptic Wasteland

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If you guessed a Palin/Bachmann ticket vs. Obama/Clinton, you'd be right.

I'm sorry but there is no chance in hell that Oklahoma votes over 60% Democratic if Obama is on the ticket.  Hell, Texas would have more a chance of flipping (and going 60% for Obama).
Seriously, I know these people.

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Guess

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Here's another.

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Any guesses?

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Both correct gentlemen.