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« on: May 07, 2005, 06:51:45 AM »

Bad night for Plaid Cymru, wasn't it?
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2005, 07:02:22 AM »

What i find amusing is how th etoires believe they are on the right track when infact it was blair who lost seats not the tories that gained them.

the tories won seats in wales because of fox hunting. tories didnt say they would vote for it or against it. just a vote against blair.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2005, 09:01:57 AM »

No MissCatholic..

It was the people of Wales rejecting thier only national party because they were tired of it's overly socialist policies.
Wales is just finding its footing in a post union world, the coal in the south won't be there forever (its really not anymore) and there's only one party that will have the economic policies to give these people jobs after the unions collapse.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2005, 12:37:35 PM »

Roll Eyes

Wales was one of Labour's best regions, again. Union membership is not about to collapse in Wales and if you think it is you must be on crack.
The Tories won back two seats they should never, ever lose, and one which they should hold most of the time.

Not impressive *at all*... they couldn't even win Cardiff North back...
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2005, 02:21:43 PM »

Bad night for Plaid Cymru, wasn't it?
They deserve it for using the slogan "Blair lied, vote Plaid."
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2005, 02:36:19 PM »

Bad night for Plaid Cymru, wasn't it?
They deserve it for using the slogan "Blair lied, vote Plaid."

I want to use this oppertunity to thank the ever bloody minded voters of the Isle of Anglesey for re-electing a fantastic M.P and making the pollsters, the pundits and Plaid Cymru look like bloody fools.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2005, 07:29:47 AM »

What was that independent candidate that took 15% of Mona's voters (you wanna give the island a different name? - try Latin instead of Norse. Smiley ) standing on?
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2005, 11:21:56 AM »

What was that independent candidate that took 15% of Mona's voters (you wanna give the island a different name? - try Latin instead of Norse. Smiley ) standing on?

He was a former Tory (list) AM who got taken off the list in 2003 for being too independent minded.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2005, 02:09:26 PM »

Hain has said that Law will be let back into the Party if he votes with Labour most of the time in the Assembly and in Westminster.

O/c he didn't *quite* put it like that, but the meaning was clear.
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2005, 02:29:58 AM »

Hain has said that Law will be let back into the Party if he votes with Labour most of the time in the Assembly and in Westminster.

O/c he didn't *quite* put it like that, but the meaning was clear.

He would probably be quite a loyal backbencher compared to some. Is he still an AM member ?
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2005, 02:36:51 AM »

He would probably be quite a loyal backbencher compared to some.

True enough; it's in the interests of both sides to have him let back in; Law knows he can't really do a lot as an Indepedent, and Welsh Labour would rather their majority in Cardiff Bay be official again rather than de facto. I don't remember Law being especially left wing either.

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2005, 12:40:47 PM »

He would probably be quite a loyal backbencher compared to some.

True enough; it's in the interests of both sides to have him let back in; Law knows he can't really do a lot as an Indepedent, and Welsh Labour would rather their majority in Cardiff Bay be official again rather than de facto. I don't remember Law being especially left wing either.


He will probably back in the party by conference season. That will take the commons majority to 69.

What effect do you think the boundary changes will have in 2009 ? And what seats do you think will be competitive ?

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2005, 12:53:23 PM »

He will probably back in the party by conference season.

There's a good chance of that; fairly soon but not *too* soon

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I'll have a look now. Don't think all the metro counties have been finished though
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2005, 01:01:07 AM »

What effect do you think the boundary changes will have in 2009 ? And what seats do you think will be competitive ?
I'll have a look now. Don't think all the metro counties have been finished though
The final report of the Boundary Commission for Wales was made to the Secretary of State on 31 January.  The government probably didn't place an order before Parliament so as to avoid having Wales get ahead of England (this is the opposite of Scotland, where they would want to lock in the reduction of seats).

In Wales, the number of seats is the same (40), and the distribution roughly the same.  The boundary between Clwyd and Gwynedd was moved westward, which had a beneficial effect on the population parity for the Gwynedd seats (only 3 constituencies).

But since you said metropolitan counties, you were probably referring to England.   The BCE issued its provisional recommendations for its last review, Greater Manchester, in March.  Typically, it has been taking from 12-15 months from provisional recommendation to final recommendation.  Perhaps this may speed up now that no new recommendations have to be generated. 

The stage of remaining areas is:

22. Greater Manchester.   Provisional recommendations made.  Based on public representations, local hearings may be held (hearings are held in almost all areas, though some boroughs in metro areas are sometimes skipped).  Hearings would probably be held in late fall, with revised recommendations then happening early in 2006.   This would mean that the final report England could be submitted about a year from now.

21. Tyne&Wear.  Hearings will be held in June.

20. West Yorkshire.  Hearings will be held in late June/early July (they were rescheduled because of election).

19. South Yorkshire.  Hearings were held in March.   Commission will decide in September whether to accept any revisions proposed in response hearings.

18. West Midlands.   Hearings were held in January.  The commission will decide in June whether to accept any revisions proposed in response to hearings.

I think that the commission takes public representations in response to the revised recommendations - but almost always they do not result in any changes.

17&16 Merseyside&Cleveland.   Hearings were held last Sepetember.  The commission will decide in June whether to accept any revisions proposed in response to hearings.  This was delayed from May due to election.
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2005, 02:55:32 AM »

The Metro hearings are taking a long time because some of the proposed changes are either: a) unpopular b) blatently stupid.
More of a than b though.
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2005, 04:33:16 AM »

The Metro hearings are taking a long time because some of the proposed changes are either: a) unpopular b) blatently stupid.
More of a than b though.
Most of the metropolitan areas are losing a seat, which likely explains the unpoularity.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2005, 04:40:52 AM »

...it certainly helps, yes. Smiley
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