NE2: Competitive Elections Amendment (passed)

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

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Debate will end at 08:15EST on July 14th, unless an extension is required.
Debate will end at 20:15EST on July 15th, unless further extensions are required.
Voting will end at 05:00EST on July 18th.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

The Northeast has historically had trouble finding enough candidates to fill all five Assembly seats. This amendment is necessary to guarantee a competitive election and to alleviate the activity problems that are affecting all of Atlasia.

[DemPGH]

Unless it's covered elsewhere, let me suggest this:

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Or would we want 3/3?

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

i mean a majority in a three-seat assembly is automatically gonna be at least a 2/3 majority

but that does remind me we should probably add something along these lines as well:

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2. Article II, Clause 14 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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[DemPGH]

^^ Okay, yeah, 3/3 for an override in a 3-seat situation would be best. Sounds good.

[pikachu]

Both the amendments are fine with me...

[free my dawg]

I don't quite get why this is necessary. We have a decent number of candidates for the Assembly every year, and we have people who are willing to step up to the plate to run even now.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

I don't quite get why this is necessary. We have a decent number of candidates for the Assembly every year, and we have people who are willing to step up to the plate to run even now.

i believe there are currently no candidates for the special election to replace castro.

[free my dawg]

I don't quite get why this is necessary. We have a decent number of candidates for the Assembly every year, and we have people who are willing to step up to the plate to run even now.

i believe there are currently no candidates for the special election to replace castro.

We just had a competitive Assembly election. And I'll tell you from private correspondence that there's someone who's willing to fill this position.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

good to know. fact remains that over the past year there have been three regular assembly elections where, effectively, any nut could write themselves in and get elected.

[free my dawg]

good to know. fact remains that over the past year there have been three regular assembly elections where, effectively, any nut could write themselves in and get elected.

So what? I'm still opposed to this because it's an unnecessary change that's to the detriment of the Northeast.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

it's not unnecessary when, de facto, only a third of our elections have more than five candidates on the ballot, and i have no idea in what way you think it's detrimental.

in my humble opinion, governor sawx, this kind of stubborn refusal to even consider trimming the size of the game is exactly what is killing atlasia.

[free my dawg]

it's not unnecessary when, de facto, only a third of our elections have more than five candidates on the ballot, and i have no idea in what way you think it's detrimental.

in my humble opinion, governor sawx, this kind of stubborn refusal to even consider trimming the size of the game is exactly what is killing atlasia.

Because it's not necessary and the current system in the Northeast (not Atlasia, but the Northeast) is fine.

I'd like to counter that your condescending, combative attitude is what's killing Atlasia (see: Barnes resigning).

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

it's not unnecessary when, de facto, only a third of our elections have more than five candidates on the ballot, and i have no idea in what way you think it's detrimental.

in my humble opinion, governor sawx, this kind of stubborn refusal to even consider trimming the size of the game is exactly what is killing atlasia.

Because it's not necessary and the current system in the Northeast (not Atlasia, but the Northeast) is fine.

I'd like to counter that your condescending, combative attitude is what's killing Atlasia (see: Barnes resigning).

with all due respect, the northeast is part of atlasia. you can't bury your head in the sand and say "let the other regions worry about it, things are fine here". and again, things aren't fine here, either. you can't have an interesting elections game without interesting elections, and we've had a grand total of two unsuccessful candidates for assembly over the past year. three if you count dempgh.

[DemPGH]

Okay, I mean you can be against this, that's fine, but I don't see that it's a problem or unnecessary. It gives flexibility in case we're down to literally handing out assembly seats, which I think you can argue should not be the point. I suppose something like this could always be done after the fact, like we had to do in the Pacific, but it might also encourage people to seek office to avoid dropping to three, IDK. But if we want to have five seats just because we can find five bodies to occupy them, then it might take a little of the fun out of it. 

[free my dawg]

it's not unnecessary when, de facto, only a third of our elections have more than five candidates on the ballot, and i have no idea in what way you think it's detrimental.

in my humble opinion, governor sawx, this kind of stubborn refusal to even consider trimming the size of the game is exactly what is killing atlasia.

Because it's not necessary and the current system in the Northeast (not Atlasia, but the Northeast) is fine.

I'd like to counter that your condescending, combative attitude is what's killing Atlasia (see: Barnes resigning).

with all due respect, the northeast is part of atlasia. you can't bury your head in the sand and say "let the other regions worry about it, things are fine here". and again, things aren't fine here, either. you can't have an interesting elections game without interesting elections, and we've had a grand total of two unsuccessful candidates for assembly over the past year. three if you count dempgh.

Then that's the job of party leaders - only a few of which seemed to be encouraging their zombies to run and participate in the game.

Not going to even give a response to you ignoring (and continuing to use) a SirNick-esque lack of decorum since Day 1. Or the fact that you're saying that "any nut could write in an election" when you're literally advocating to ban calamari in the Northeast.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

it's not unnecessary when, de facto, only a third of our elections have more than five candidates on the ballot, and i have no idea in what way you think it's detrimental.

in my humble opinion, governor sawx, this kind of stubborn refusal to even consider trimming the size of the game is exactly what is killing atlasia.

Because it's not necessary and the current system in the Northeast (not Atlasia, but the Northeast) is fine.

I'd like to counter that your condescending, combative attitude is what's killing Atlasia (see: Barnes resigning).

with all due respect, the northeast is part of atlasia. you can't bury your head in the sand and say "let the other regions worry about it, things are fine here". and again, things aren't fine here, either. you can't have an interesting elections game without interesting elections, and we've had a grand total of two unsuccessful candidates for assembly over the past year. three if you count dempgh.

Then that's the job of party leaders - only a few of which seemed to be encouraging their zombies to run and participate in the game.

again, we can't keep handing the responsibility over to others. sure, there are other ways to alleviate atlasia's inactivity problems, but that doesn't mean we should dismiss this one.

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a frankly insulting comparison. i was a vocal opponent of sirnick since day one. and ofc his problem had nothing to do with a "lack of decorum".

edit: should be noted, also, that sirnick was strongly opposed to this proposal the last time it was being discussed

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[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

gonna extend debate an additional 36 hours

[pikachu]

Even though we have gotten 6 candidates on then ballot last 3 elections, I feel like there's a dearth of campaigning b/c the sixth normally some guy who just entered Atlasia...More pertinent to amendment itself, what would happen if a candidate accepts write-ins on the day of the election? Do we consider him/her as a 'candidate on the ballot' or do we just ignore that? 

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Even though we have gotten 6 candidates on then ballot last 3 elections, I feel like there's a dearth of campaigning b/c the sixth normally some guy who just entered Atlasia...More pertinent to amendment itself, what would happen if a candidate accepts write-ins on the day of the election? Do we consider him/her as a 'candidate on the ballot' or do we just ignore that? 

yeah, if they're not listed on the ballot, they wouldn't count

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

we will now proceed to a final vote.

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2. Article II, Clause 14 of the Northeast Constitution shall be amended to read:

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The Northeast has historically had trouble finding enough candidates to fill all five Assembly seats. This amendment is necessary to guarantee a competitive election and to alleviate the activity problems that are affecting all of Atlasia.

representatives have 48 hours to vote.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

aye

[DemPGH]

Yes.

Okay, I understand the opposing arguments, but it just makes sense to me to introduce a measure like this. The thing is, this is not irrevocable. If there would be, like, an explosion in activity, we could expand the Assembly. But right now, that's not the trajectory we're on. So I'm not a pessimist, just a realist.

[Prince of Salem]

NAY

Even when we had very few official candidates, we've been able to fill all 5 seats. So this amendment looks unnecessary. And I think I'm being realistic: I stick to the facts.

[pikachu]

Aye