Trump vs. Mexico omnibus thread

[SteveRogers]

Trump retweeted a tweet taking a swipe at Bush's wife.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-deletes-tweet-jeb-bushs-wife/story?id=32256986

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Trump retweeted a tweet taking a swipe at Bush's wife.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-deletes-tweet-jeb-bushs-wife/story?id=32256986

And people say Republicans are the better party.

[ag]

Trump retweeted a tweet taking a swipe at Bush's wife.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-deletes-tweet-jeb-bushs-wife/story?id=32256986

Even if you are married to a Bush, that does not make you white. In that, he is merely an objective observer of American realiety.

[Mr. Morden]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/06/politics/george-pataki-donald-trump-debate-immigration/

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A 1-on-1 debate would actually be against the RNC rules, and exclude the participants from future RNC-sanctioned debates.  Of course, it's unclear if Pataki's going to be invited to any of those anyway.

[Mr. Morden]

ESPN's the latest company to sever ties with Trump.  They've relocated a celebrity golf tournament that had been set to be played on a Trump course:

link

[Likely Voter]

Apparently the war is over and Trump won...

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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-i-will-win-latino-vote-n388696

It seems that over the holiday weekend the GOP field suddenly noticed Trump and pretty much all of them has chimed in with attacks on him to one degree or another. Cruz seems to be the lone holdout who continues to defend Trump. He seems to be banking on Trump eventually flaming out or dropping out and he wants those voters.

[Fuzzy Bear]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/04/politics/bush-trump-immigrants/

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I like what Governor Bush said, and he was very diplomatic in stating that Trump isn't a moron, which he is.

The fact that Donald Trump is considered a legitimate Republican shows a failure of the media to hold this man accountable. He isn't successful because of his own doing, he's successful because of government corporate welfare policies, bailouts, and generous bankruptcy laws that have enabled him to use what money he already had to expand in ways small business could not. Additionally, Trump is a socialist who once supported a wealth tax and socialized medicine, he is still a protectionist who would have left Saddam Hussein in power.

Bottom line: Trump is a bigot, a sociopath, an egomaniac, and a socialist and I'm tired of this entertainer running for President. This nation is hurting, and this guy makes bigoted comments and takes air time away from serious candidates like Jeb Bush and Scott Walker.

Trump may be all of these things, but he's the most likely Republican to tell the rest of the world where they can stick NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, and TPP.  He's against the Establishment and Beltway classes; the folks who keep telling me how good "Free Trade" is for America.  He has an idea as to what it takes to maintain a middle class society, and he actually knows something about how the macro economy works.  (Scott Walker knows about state and local government.  Whoopee!)

Trump's comments were certainly inflammatory and somewhat overstates, but are there not serious problems with crime stemming from the behavior of illegal immigrants?  The 18th Street Gang (a major gang in California) has approximately 20,000 members, 12,000 of which are illegal gang members.  In Los Angeles in 2006, 2/3 of the 17,000 fugutive felony warrants in Los Angeles County, CA were for illegal aliens.  Even more remarkable, 95% of the 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicide involved illegal aliens as defendants.

Is it wrong to talk about these numbers?  Is it wrong to assert that numbers like this suggest a real problem in terms of who is able to gain entry to the United States?  Is it wrong to suggest that such a wave of immigrants involved in such activities coming from a country that has recently been awash in bloody drug violence represents the exporting of criminality from Mexico to the United States, and the result is a net decrease in public safety as a result?  Is it wrong to suggest that these problems do not occur with every immigrant group to the degree that they do with Mexican immigrants?  Because if it is wrong, then certain matters touching on the safety and welfare of individuals has become off limits for discourse; we are to operate on the assumption that immigrants from Mexico are just as law-abiding and contributory as immigrants from China and India, and that no special problems arise from their entry into the US, other than the "made up" problem of "undocumented" immigration that can be resolved by "meaningful reform".  

Mexican immigration is, in many ways, different from immigration from other countries.  They are  our neighbor, and there has never been a case of a nation being so much poorer than its neighbor as Mexico is in comparison to the US.  It's not an impossible situation to resolve the issue of immigration in a fair way, but it's not unreasonable to protect our borders, deport those illegally here, and be unapologetic about it.  There are lots of specific problems stemming from illegal immigration from Mexico and specific proposals to address this.   But it's time to get real on this.  

[eric82oslo]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/04/politics/bush-trump-immigrants/

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I like what Governor Bush said, and he was very diplomatic in stating that Trump isn't a moron, which he is.

The fact that Donald Trump is considered a legitimate Republican shows a failure of the media to hold this man accountable. He isn't successful because of his own doing, he's successful because of government corporate welfare policies, bailouts, and generous bankruptcy laws that have enabled him to use what money he already had to expand in ways small business could not. Additionally, Trump is a socialist who once supported a wealth tax and socialized medicine, he is still a protectionist who would have left Saddam Hussein in power.

Bottom line: Trump is a bigot, a sociopath, an egomaniac, and a socialist and I'm tired of this entertainer running for President. This nation is hurting, and this guy makes bigoted comments and takes air time away from serious candidates like Jeb Bush and Scott Walker.

Trump may be all of these things, but he's the most likely Republican to tell the rest of the world where they can stick NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, and TPP.  He's against the Establishment and Beltway classes; the folks who keep telling me how good "Free Trade" is for America.  He has an idea as to what it takes to maintain a middle class society, and he actually knows something about how the macro economy works.  (Scott Walker knows about state and local government.  Whoopee!)

Trump's comments were certainly inflammatory and somewhat overstates, but are there not serious problems with crime stemming from the behavior of illegal immigrants?  The 18th Street Gang (a major gang in California) has approximately 20,000 members, 12,000 of which are illegal gang members.  In Los Angeles in 2006, 2/3 of the 17,000 fugutive felony warrants in Los Angeles County, CA were for illegal aliens.  Even more remarkable, 95% of the 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicide involved illegal aliens as defendants.

Is it wrong to talk about these numbers?  Is it wrong to assert that numbers like this suggest a real problem in terms of who is able to gain entry to the United States?  Is it wrong to suggest that such a wave of immigrants involved in such activities coming from a country that has recently been awash in bloody drug violence represents the exporting of criminality from Mexico to the United States, and the result is a net decrease in public safety as a result?  Is it wrong to suggest that these problems do not occur with every immigrant group to the degree that they do with Mexican immigrants?  Because if it is wrong, then certain matters touching on the safety and welfare of individuals has become off limits for discourse; we are to operate on the assumption that immigrants from Mexico are just as law-abiding and contributory as immigrants from China and India, and that no special problems arise from their entry into the US, other than the "made up" problem of "undocumented" immigration that can be resolved by "meaningful reform".  

Mexican immigration is, in many ways, different from immigration from other countries.  They are  our neighbor, and there has never been a case of a nation being so much poorer than its neighbor as Mexico is in comparison to the US.  It's not an impossible situation to resolve the issue of immigration in a fair way, but it's not unreasonable to protect our borders, deport those illegally here, and be unapologetic about it.  There are lots of specific problems stemming from illegal immigration from Mexico and specific proposals to address this.   But it's time to get real on this.  

The best way to remedy this would be to increase by at the very least tenfold the amount of aid the US gives to Mexico and Central America. But for some reason, Latin America seems much more unimportant to almost every single US politician than Asia, Europe and Africa. For a European standpoint that I am, it just seems like madness. It could be compared to Norway caring much more about the wellbeing of Australia and New Zealand than the well-being of our closest Nordic neighbours.

[Simfan34]

Aid is better than trade? Do you have any idea how much NAFTA has contributed to the Mexican economy and how much higher illegal immigration would be without it?

[IronFist]

Trump is a great candidate. Yes, he might be a bit too loud and obnoxious but at least he speaks what he thinks so I believe he is a pretty honest person (especially comparing to Hillary). He would make a good president, that's for sure.

[pbrower2a]

Republicans are going to find the Hispanic vote going heavily against them in 2016. So farewell, any possibility of winning Colorado, Nevada, or Florida. Arizona will be close, and New Mexico will be a blowout. This will be enough to swing states on the brink with relatively-small Hispanic populations, like Ohio.  

There has never been the mass animus against non-black Hispanics in any part of America that there was against blacks. Democrats win big when they have massive get-out-the-vote drives.

Whatever conservative tendencies some Hispanics have are going to be better expressed among Democrats than among Republicans.

[ag]

Aid is better than trade? Do you have any idea how much NAFTA has contributed to the Mexican economy and how much higher illegal immigration would be without it?

Thanx!

[Simfan34]

Aid is better than trade? Do you have any idea how much NAFTA has contributed to the Mexican economy and how much higher illegal immigration would be without it?

Thanx!

Sarcasm?

[ag]

Aid is better than trade? Do you have any idea how much NAFTA has contributed to the Mexican economy and how much higher illegal immigration would be without it?

Thanx!

Sarcasm?

Actually, completely sincere. I agree with you on the economic analysis

[Fuzzy Bear]

Aid is better than trade? Do you have any idea how much NAFTA has contributed to the Mexican economy and how much higher illegal immigration would be without it?

Thanx!

Sarcasm?

Actually, completely sincere. I agree with you on the economic analysis

I might actually agree with the premise here, but the damage to the middle class as a result of NAFTA is, to me, an overriding factor to end this "free trade".

[dudeabides]

Republicans are going to find the Hispanic vote going heavily against them in 2016. So farewell, any possibility of winning Colorado, Nevada, or Florida. Arizona will be close, and New Mexico will be a blowout. This will be enough to swing states on the brink with relatively-small Hispanic populations, like Ohio.  

There has never been the mass animus against non-black Hispanics in any part of America that there was against blacks. Democrats win big when they have massive get-out-the-vote drives.

Whatever conservative tendencies some Hispanics have are going to be better expressed among Democrats than among Republicans.

If the Republican nominee for President reaches out to hispanic and black voters, I think they can make inroads. That means listening, learning, and then talking. It means having an inclusive message.

If a Republican nominee takes an unrealistic immigration position the way Mitt Romney did in 2012, they won't make inroads with hispanic voters.

But, in the end, people of all backrounds have been victims of Barack Obama's failed economic policies, his failed health care law, his reckless foreign policy, and his lawlessness. It's now time for the Republican nominee for President to run on a hopeful and optimistic vision to restore integrity to the white house and restore good public policy.

[pbrower2a]

Republicans are going to find the Hispanic vote going heavily against them in 2016. So farewell, any possibility of winning Colorado, Nevada, or Florida. Arizona will be close, and New Mexico will be a blowout. This will be enough to swing states on the brink with relatively-small Hispanic populations, like Ohio.  

There has never been the mass animus against non-black Hispanics in any part of America that there was against blacks. Democrats win big when they have massive get-out-the-vote drives.

Whatever conservative tendencies some Hispanics have are going to be better expressed among Democrats than among Republicans.

If the Republican nominee for President reaches out to hispanic and black voters, I think they can make inroads. That means listening, learning, and then talking. It means having an inclusive message.

If a Republican nominee takes an unrealistic immigration position the way Mitt Romney did in 2012, they won't make inroads with hispanic voters.

Ok -- but the damage has been done.

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I thought I saw a long bull market without a speculative bubble, a start on a civilized system of medicine, one of the squeakiest-clean administrations in decades, and a cautious foreign policy that allows the President to whack terrorists.

Return to integrity? Which one?

Republicans are going to have electoral problems until they recognize that Dubya was an awful President.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Republicans are going to find the Hispanic vote going heavily against them in 2016. So farewell, any possibility of winning Colorado, Nevada, or Florida. Arizona will be close, and New Mexico will be a blowout. This will be enough to swing states on the brink with relatively-small Hispanic populations, like Ohio.  

There has never been the mass animus against non-black Hispanics in any part of America that there was against blacks. Democrats win big when they have massive get-out-the-vote drives.

Whatever conservative tendencies some Hispanics have are going to be better expressed among Democrats than among Republicans.

If the Republican nominee for President reaches out to hispanic and black voters, I think they can make inroads. That means listening, learning, and then talking. It means having an inclusive message.

If a Republican nominee takes an unrealistic immigration position the way Mitt Romney did in 2012, they won't make inroads with hispanic voters.

Ok -- but the damage has been done.

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I thought I saw a long bull market without a speculative bubble, a start on a civilized system of medicine, one of the squeakiest-clean administrations in decades, and a cautious foreign policy that allows the President to whack terrorists.

Return to integrity? Which one?

Republicans are going to have electoral problems until they recognize that Dubya was an awful President.

Because Obama isn't a Drama Seeker, he won't get credit for a lot of what he's done right until after history settles and people look at his record objectively, and not compared to the 2008 hype.

[ag]

Aid is better than trade? Do you have any idea how much NAFTA has contributed to the Mexican economy and how much higher illegal immigration would be without it?

Thanx!

Sarcasm?

Actually, completely sincere. I agree with you on the economic analysis

I might actually agree with the premise here, but the damage to the middle class as a result of NAFTA is, to me, an overriding factor to end this "free trade".

What damage?

[Mr. Morden]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-tells-supporters-we-need-to-take-back-the-heart-of-our-country/2015/07/11/066aecf2-27dd-11e5-b77f-eb13a215f593_story.html

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The campaign said that about 4200 people showed up at this rally.

[Mr. Morden]

More fun Trump comments:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/12/usa-election-trump-idUSL1N0ZR0EC20150712

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No wonder Colbert and Stewart are retiring. They just can't compete with Trump.

[Mr. Morden]

More Trump weekend antics:

-He met with the families of people killed by illegal immigrants, and invited one such family member on stage with him: link

-He said "These people wreak havoc on our population.": http://bigstory.ap.org/article/200e2e68b4814c57ac9ce7c1e3bb2c08/donald-trumps-immigration-stance-dividing-gop-arizona

-When protestors unfurled a banner at an event in Las Vegas, Trump said "I wonder if the Mexican government sent them over here.  I think so."

[Adam Griffin]

The campaign said that about 4200 people showed up at this rally.

The campaign said that? How many were really there?

[Mr. Morden]

The campaign said that about 4200 people showed up at this rally.

The campaign said that? How many were really there?

Unfortunately, E-Verify wasn't operational at the rally, so we'll never know how many were there undocumented.