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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2015, 03:33:15 PM »

Lolz. 460 people voted in an unofficial poll almost a year before the election. SOCIALISTS WIN!

Not to mention the fact that Hillary actually WON that poll...

Ron Paul had bigger rallies than this all the time. How did that work out for him again?

I agree with you completely, IceSpear. HILLARY IS INEVITABLE. Hillary being inevitable is not necessarily a good thing IMO (although Hillary is not that bad either), but it's the truth.

I remember all the Paulbots believing that he'd win the nomination just because he had bigger rallies. Having bigger rallies doesn't mean sh**t lol. That just means that Sander's base is enthusiastic about him, but the rest of the party is not going vote for the dude. According to polls, most of the Democrats that oppose Hillary are opposing her from the right, not the left IIRC. Hillary is very popular among her party, and she can appeal to nearly all Democrats.



In those last 2 NH polls, Sanders has a majority of the Democrats not supporting Hillary. Maybe some voters think Hillary is too left-wing but Sanders isn't. Don't expect the voters to all be perfectly logical.
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2015, 04:46:14 PM »
« Edited: June 21, 2015, 05:10:47 PM by Adam T »

It should be noted that there is frequently a large difference between those who have an intense base of support and those who have a broad base of support.

No insult meant to Sanders or his supporters, but at this point I'd say he is the film equivalent of a 'cult movie.'
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2015, 05:02:17 PM »

It should be noted that there is frequently a large difference between those who have an intense base of support and those who have a large base of support.

No insult meant to Sanders or his supporters, but at this point I'd say he is the film equivalent of a 'cult movie.'

Well, I love a good cult movie. Quite obviously.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2015, 05:04:12 PM »

One problem for Sanders is that he has little support outside the Latte Liberal left wing activist crowd. Obama was able to fuse together the activist base and added on African American support to win the primary. It was a close run thing, he even lost the popular vote.

Blacks and other minorities appear to be sticking with Hillary. Sanders will struggle to break out of the activist base. Atlas and Daily Kos are not even remotely close to the average Democrat.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2015, 05:04:42 PM »

Tender Branson, please show me Bernie Sanders' path to a majority of delegates and superdelegates at the Democratic National convention. Because at the end of that day, that's all the matters for getting the nomination.
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« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2015, 05:07:44 PM »

One problem for Sanders is that he has little support outside the Latte Liberal left wing activist crowd. Obama was able to fuse together the activist base and added on African American support to win the primary. It was a close run thing, he even lost the popular vote.

Blacks and other minorities appear to be sticking with Hillary. Sanders will struggle to break out of the activist base. Atlas and Daily Kos are not even remotely close to the average Democrat.

Depends what tabulation of the popular vote you're looking at.

I agree with what you've said here for the most part though.
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« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2015, 05:10:59 PM »
« Edited: June 21, 2015, 05:17:21 PM by DimpledChad »

One problem for Sanders is that he has little support outside the Latte Liberal left wing activist crowd. Obama was able to fuse together the activist base and added on African American support to win the primary. It was a close run thing, he even lost the popular vote.

Blacks and other minorities appear to be sticking with Hillary. Sanders will struggle to break out of the activist base. Atlas and Daily Kos are not even remotely close to the average Democrat.

Well, Bernie isn't considerably more liberal on social issues than Obama or any other typical Democrat. It's economic issues where he mainly differs. I think there's a thirst out there for economic populism, it just remains to be seen if voters will accept someone as far out of the political norm as him.

I think Bernie could appeal to people who are discouraged by politics as usual in Washington and to Democrats dissatisfied by the recovery under Obama. It remains to be seen, however, if he will.
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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2015, 05:12:00 PM »

One problem for Sanders is that he has little support outside the Latte Liberal left wing activist crowd. Obama was able to fuse together the activist base and added on African American support to win the primary. It was a close run thing, he even lost the popular vote.

He narrowly won the popular vote if the Michigan (and Florida?) primary totals are excluded, as they should be.
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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2015, 06:17:42 PM »

I am happy for Bernie, as there are reasonable alternatives to Clinton😍
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« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2015, 06:20:45 PM »

Crowds don't translate into votes. That crowd looks like Facebook.

HRC will have so much more money, unlike last time where Obama matched and outraised her.
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« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2015, 06:22:21 PM »

Crowds don't translate into votes. That crowd looks like Facebook.

HRC will have so much more money, unlike last time where Obama matched and outraised her.

Right, I forgot that money translates into votes. Because that worked out real well for Meg Whitman in a Republican landslide year.
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« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2015, 06:23:45 PM »


Right, I forgot that money translates into votes. Because that worked out real well for Meg Whitman in a Republican landslide year.

Meg Whitman had a 30% registration rate and a state full of welfare recipients to deal with. A general election electorate vs. primary electorate anyway, apples and oranges. Sanders will get no where.  If polls start to close, the Democrat machine will stop him.
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« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2015, 06:25:32 PM »


Right, I forgot that money translates into votes. Because that worked out real well for Meg Whitman in a Republican landslide year.

Meg Whitman had a 30% registration rate and a state full of welfare recipients to deal with. A general election electorate vs. primary electorate anyway, apples and oranges. Sanders will get no where.  If polls start to close, the Democrat machine will stop him.

Only 3 Democrats have been elected governor of California in over 75 years. As of 2010, Republicans had the governorship for 23 of the last 28 years.
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« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2015, 06:27:34 PM »

I think the interwebs has called it.

2016 will be between Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee vs. Ron Rand Paul as the Republican nominee.

Hillary and Jeb should basically just quit after Atlas has spoken. That 5,000 person crowd at University of Denver speaks volumes of Sander's dominance.
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2015, 06:30:07 PM »



Only 3 Democrats have been elected governor of California in over 75 years. As of 2010, Republicans had the governorship for 23 of the last 28 years.

Because the registration rate didn't start dramatically dropping until the last decade.  Until and unless Sanders gets competitive financially, he has no chance.
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« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2015, 06:34:58 PM »

One problem for Sanders is that he has little support outside the Latte Liberal left wing activist crowd. Obama was able to fuse together the activist base and added on African American support to win the primary. It was a close run thing, he even lost the popular vote.

Blacks and other minorities appear to be sticking with Hillary. Sanders will struggle to break out of the activist base. Atlas and Daily Kos are not even remotely close to the average Democrat.

African-American voters as a whole are transactional voters, not ideological voters. The Republican interpretation of that is, "Those people don't care about liberty. They just want free stuff!" And on some level that's true - except that's not necessarily a bad thing and in their case is perfectly logical. American society has never given them anything beyond what white liberals give them out of pity and guilt and what their own politicians give them by accumulating influence and pull. That's why you rarely see black Democrats getting primary challengers unless the challenger is from another part of the "Establishment." People aren't going to throw away seniority and clout that gives them federal funding and "jobs for the community" over an ideological spat - that's something that only the comfortably middle-class and wealthy have the luxury of doing.
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« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2015, 06:41:56 PM »

I might change endorsement to Sanders. Cant wait for debates and Iowa caucuses
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« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2015, 07:00:20 PM »

I might change endorsement to Sanders. Cant wait for debates and Iowa caucuses

Do you think Sanders 272 firewall is real?
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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2015, 07:17:10 PM »

I might change endorsement to Sanders. Cant wait for debates and Iowa caucuses

Who is your current endorsement?
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« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2015, 07:29:37 PM »
« Edited: June 21, 2015, 07:31:19 PM by OC »

I havent yet endorsed anyone.

But, Clinton is best suited to win Latino states of CO, NV and win Pa.

But Duckworth, Feingold, maybe Chris Pappas, and Sestak arent Wallstreet Dems either, who are competetive against Toomey, Ayotte, Johnson and Kirk.Lets see what happens in primaries and see if she will do more to stand up against Wallstreet as Sanders wants.
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« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2015, 08:30:37 PM »

I havent yet endorsed anyone.

But, Clinton is best suited to win Latino states of CO, NV and win Pa.

But Duckworth, Feingold, maybe Chris Pappas, and Sestak arent Wallstreet Dems either, who are competetive against Toomey, Ayotte, Johnson and Kirk.Lets see what happens in primaries and see if she will do more to stand up against Wallstreet as Sanders wants.

I don't think malfunctioning computer programs can vote in the contiguous United States, so their endorsements probably don't mean much.
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« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2015, 08:49:06 PM »

I havent yet endorsed anyone.

But, Clinton is best suited to win Latino states of CO, NV and win Pa.

But Duckworth, Feingold, maybe Chris Pappas, and Sestak arent Wallstreet Dems either, who are competetive against Toomey, Ayotte, Johnson and Kirk.Lets see what happens in primaries and see if she will do more to stand up against Wallstreet as Sanders wants.

I don't think malfunctioning computer programs can vote in the contiguous United States, so their endorsements probably don't mean much.

Funny, I thought malfunctioning computer programs from Y2K got Bush elected...I guess 50 million people actually voted for him
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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2015, 09:47:28 PM »

I havent yet endorsed anyone.

But, Clinton is best suited to win Latino states of CO, NV and win Pa.

But Duckworth, Feingold, maybe Chris Pappas, and Sestak arent Wallstreet Dems either, who are competetive against Toomey, Ayotte, Johnson and Kirk.Lets see what happens in primaries and see if she will do more to stand up against Wallstreet as Sanders wants.

I don't think malfunctioning computer programs can vote in the contiguous United States, so their endorsements probably don't mean much.

Funny, I thought malfunctioning computer programs from Y2K got Bush elected...I guess 50 million people actually voted for him

I'm pretty sure it was 5 Supreme Court Justices using novel arguments, that they themselves basically said should never be used, who selected him.
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« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2015, 10:19:59 PM »

I think the interwebs has called it.

2016 will be between Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee vs. Ron Rand Paul as the Republican nominee.

Hillary and Jeb should basically just quit after Atlas has spoken. That 5,000 person crowd at University of Denver speaks volumes of Sander's dominance.

If I offer you a free house, car boat, and pony as your human right, would you vote for me too?
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« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2015, 11:49:14 PM »

I think the interwebs has called it.

2016 will be between Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee vs. Ron Rand Paul as the Republican nominee.

Hillary and Jeb should basically just quit after Atlas has spoken. That 5,000 person crowd at University of Denver speaks volumes of Sander's dominance.

If I offer you a free house, car boat, and pony as your human right, would you vote for me too?

Nailed it. We can always count on you to expose those lazy welfare bums!

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