TAA crushed by House, but the game is not over yet

[bedstuy]

Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

What was she supposed to do?

[Ebsy]

Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

I'm glad the green avatars of the forum are around to tell us who is a Democrat and who isn't a Democrat.

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Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

What was she supposed to do?

Take a clear position for starters.

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When's the last time that Alabama's Senators were on the liberal side of an issue while Washington's Senators were on the conservative side?

[bedstuy]

Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

What was she supposed to do?

Take a clear position for starters.

I understand the sentiment.  But, this is lose-lose situation.  She couldn't come out against it, because it would be an insult to Obama.  Coming out for a complicated trade pact that will have already passed when she gets into office doesn't help her. 

When's the last time that Alabama's Senators were on the liberal side of an issue while Washington's Senators were on the conservative side?

Why is this a liberal/conservative issue?  There are plenty of liberals who support the TPP.

[Ebsy]

Like Patty Murray, renowned DINO. Honestly jfern, concern troll the green party or something. The Democrats are just fine.

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Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

What was she supposed to do?

Take a clear position for starters.

I understand the sentiment.  But, this is lose-lose situation.  She couldn't come out against it, because it would be an insult to Obama.  Coming out for a complicated trade pact that will have already passed when she gets into office doesn't help her. 

When's the last time that Alabama's Senators were on the liberal side of an issue while Washington's Senators were on the conservative side?

Why is this a liberal/conservative issue?  There are plenty of liberals who support the TPP.

It's pretty obviously a liberal/conservative issue. 83% of Senators and something similar in the House voted with their party on this issue.

[Mehmentum]

So basically the unions screwed themselves over. They were going to get TPP, with TAA as a concession.  They're now getting TPP, but no TAA.

Also, if you're calling over a quarter of the Democratic caucus DINOs, then you're probably being too strict with your standards of ideological purity.

[All Along The Watchtower]

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/fast-track-trade-bill-democrats-119371.html?hp=t1_r

[Torie]

It's all coming down exactly as I predicted. God, I'm good.

[The Other Castro]

It's all coming down exactly as I predicted. God, I'm good.

Congress acts like it won't pass something then ends up passing it without much trouble? Yeah, you're downright clairvoyant.

[Maxwell]

So basically the unions screwed themselves over. They were going to get TPP, with TAA as a concession.  They're now getting TPP, but no TAA.

Also, if you're calling over a quarter of the Democratic caucus DINOs, then you're probably being too strict with your standards of ideological purity.

Yes, that's why this whole thing rules! They weren't even smart enough to decipher between the two.

[Ebsy]

TAA is going to be passed.

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So basically the unions screwed themselves over. They were going to get TPP, with TAA as a concession.  They're now getting TPP, but no TAA.

Also, if you're calling over a quarter of the Democratic caucus DINOs, then you're probably being too strict with your standards of ideological purity.

TAA was just window dressing that no one cares about. I'd vote nay on TAA just because the whole idea of stealing from Medicare to pay peanuts to people who lose their jobs forever is just insulting.

[The Other Castro]

So, when is Obama going to sign this? It's been a few days now.

[JerryArkansas]

Maybe the left got to him and he's going to let it become law without his signature.

[Frodo]

So, when is Obama going to sign this? It's been a few days now.

Obama signs trade, worker assistance bills; measures advance administration's economic agenda

The last bit of related unfinished business remains the Export-Import Bank, which will likely be renewed but only after its charter expires tomorrow.  

[Rockefeller GOP]

Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

What was she supposed to do?

Take a clear position for starters.

I understand the sentiment.  But, this is lose-lose situation.  She couldn't come out against it, because it would be an insult to Obama.  Coming out for a complicated trade pact that will have already passed when she gets into office doesn't help her. 

When's the last time that Alabama's Senators were on the liberal side of an issue while Washington's Senators were on the conservative side?

Why is this a liberal/conservative issue?  There are plenty of liberals who support the TPP.

"Why is civil rights a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of Northern conservatives who supported the CRA (and many Southern liberals who didn't."

"Why is foreign policy a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of liberals who voted for the Iraq War."

This forum LOVES to put issues into left/right terms at its own convenience.

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Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

What was she supposed to do?

Take a clear position for starters.

I understand the sentiment.  But, this is lose-lose situation.  She couldn't come out against it, because it would be an insult to Obama.  Coming out for a complicated trade pact that will have already passed when she gets into office doesn't help her. 

When's the last time that Alabama's Senators were on the liberal side of an issue while Washington's Senators were on the conservative side?

Why is this a liberal/conservative issue?  There are plenty of liberals who support the TPP.

"Why is civil rights a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of Northern conservatives who supported the CRA (and many Southern liberals who didn't."

"Why is foreign policy a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of liberals who voted for the Iraq War."

This forum LOVES to put issues into left/right terms at its own convenience.

Nope, the only southern liberal Senator, Ralph Yarborough, supported civil rights. Nice try.

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Did the coalbreathers get that damn amendment in to the export-import renewal bill?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Ironic that we are seeing a "free trade" bill being pushed at the same time as an attempt to renew a massive subsidy to exporters.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

What was she supposed to do?

Take a clear position for starters.

I understand the sentiment.  But, this is lose-lose situation.  She couldn't come out against it, because it would be an insult to Obama.  Coming out for a complicated trade pact that will have already passed when she gets into office doesn't help her. 

When's the last time that Alabama's Senators were on the liberal side of an issue while Washington's Senators were on the conservative side?

Why is this a liberal/conservative issue?  There are plenty of liberals who support the TPP.

"Why is civil rights a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of Northern conservatives who supported the CRA (and many Southern liberals who didn't."

"Why is foreign policy a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of liberals who voted for the Iraq War."

This forum LOVES to put issues into left/right terms at its own convenience.

Nope, the only southern liberal Senator, Ralph Yarborough, supported civil rights. Nice try.

Tbf there were a fair number of white Southern Democrats back then who were supportive of an expansive welfare state - for white people. Certainly, more so than many Republicans were, past or present.

[Rockefeller GOP]

Cloture passed 60-37, with the 13 DINOs (probably the same as last time) voting for it. 4 Republicans voted against cloture this time. Many of those 13 are Hillary supporters. This is no thanks to Hillary's spinelessness.

What was she supposed to do?

Take a clear position for starters.

I understand the sentiment.  But, this is lose-lose situation.  She couldn't come out against it, because it would be an insult to Obama.  Coming out for a complicated trade pact that will have already passed when she gets into office doesn't help her. 

When's the last time that Alabama's Senators were on the liberal side of an issue while Washington's Senators were on the conservative side?

Why is this a liberal/conservative issue?  There are plenty of liberals who support the TPP.

"Why is civil rights a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of Northern conservatives who supported the CRA (and many Southern liberals who didn't."

"Why is foreign policy a liberal/conservative issue?  There were plenty of liberals who voted for the Iraq War."

This forum LOVES to put issues into left/right terms at its own convenience.

Nope, the only southern liberal Senator, Ralph Yarborough, supported civil rights. Nice try.

Just because people like Robert Byrd and Albert Gore opposed this bill doesn't erase the fact that they were CLEARLY liberals - Southern liberals that learned from fellow old Southern Democrats like Huey Long who were more or less borderline socialists who just happened to also oppose civil rights legislation.  It's possible, sorry.