NumbersUSA grades 2016 candidates on immigration

[JonathanSwift]

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/elections/races/presidential/2016-presidential-hopefuls.html

A: Rick Santorum

B-: Scott Walker

C: Ted Cruz, Rick Perry

C-: Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich

D+: Jeb Bush, Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Jim Webb

D-: Martin O'Malley, Marco Rubio

F: Hillary Clinton, Lindsey Graham

F-: Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren

[King]

FF: Hillary Clinton, Lindsey Graham

FF-: Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren

fixed

[Hydera]

Ultra progressives: But tougher controls on immigration are unfair and racist!!!

Translation:

Ultra progressives: How are we supposed to get future voters with tougher immigration border controls???

[RFK Jr.’s Brain Worm]

Well, that doesn't seem partisan at all. I didn't realize that some people wanted to end birthright citizenship.

[WVdemocrat]

Ultra progressives: But tougher controls on immigration are unfair and racist!!!

Translation:

Ultra progressives: How are we supposed to get future voters with tougher immigration border controls???

Nailed it right on the head. No one really cares about this issue. It's a far left conspiracy to get new liberal voters. 10/10. Would read again.

[Hydera]

Ultra progressives: But tougher controls on immigration are unfair and racist!!!

Translation:

Ultra progressives: How are we supposed to get future voters with tougher immigration border controls???

Nailed it right on the head. No one really cares about this issue. It's a far left conspiracy to get new liberal voters. 10/10. Would read again.

lol most of the left-leaning blogs/forums i encountered have a sh**t face eating grin about "ha!! republicans want to deport illegal immigrants!!! This means republicans = racist!!!

&  lets use the issue to drum up the hispanic vote!!!" and etc.

[WVdemocrat]

Ultra progressives: But tougher controls on immigration are unfair and racist!!!

Translation:

Ultra progressives: How are we supposed to get future voters with tougher immigration border controls???

Nailed it right on the head. No one really cares about this issue. It's a far left conspiracy to get new liberal voters. 10/10. Would read again.

lol most of the left-leaning blogs/forums i encountered have a sh**t face eating grin about "ha!! republicans want to deport illegal immigrants!!! This means republicans = racist!!!

&  lets use the issue to drum up the hispanic vote!!!" and etc.

They are a minority. Most progressives and liberals have no ulterior motives in their position on the issue.

[Hydera]

Ultra progressives: But tougher controls on immigration are unfair and racist!!!

Translation:

Ultra progressives: How are we supposed to get future voters with tougher immigration border controls???

Nailed it right on the head. No one really cares about this issue. It's a far left conspiracy to get new liberal voters. 10/10. Would read again.

lol most of the left-leaning blogs/forums i encountered have a sh**t face eating grin about "ha!! republicans want to deport illegal immigrants!!! This means republicans = racist!!!

&  lets use the issue to drum up the hispanic vote!!!" and etc.

They are a minority. Most progressives and liberals have no ulterior motives in their position on the issue.

lol.


Also lets imagine that in the voting booth. After voting for their candidates, voters are given an option on whether they think Illegal immigrants should be given amnesty. The Yes option also contains a provision that those who checked the Yes will have to house, feed any illegal immigrants in their own home.

How many progressives will support amnesty after being asked that?

[WVdemocrat]

Ultra progressives: But tougher controls on immigration are unfair and racist!!!

Translation:

Ultra progressives: How are we supposed to get future voters with tougher immigration border controls???

Nailed it right on the head. No one really cares about this issue. It's a far left conspiracy to get new liberal voters. 10/10. Would read again.

lol most of the left-leaning blogs/forums i encountered have a sh**t face eating grin about "ha!! republicans want to deport illegal immigrants!!! This means republicans = racist!!!

&  lets use the issue to drum up the hispanic vote!!!" and etc.

They are a minority. Most progressives and liberals have no ulterior motives in their position on the issue.

lol.


Also lets imagine that in the voting booth. After voting for their candidates, voters are given an option on whether they think Illegal immigrants should be given amnesty. The Yes option also contains a provision that those who checked the Yes will have to house, feed any illegal immigrants in their own home.

How many progressives will support amnesty after being asked that?

Why would they have to house and feed illegal immigrants in their own home?

[Ebsy]

Ultra progressives: But tougher controls on immigration are unfair and racist!!!

Translation:

Ultra progressives: How are we supposed to get future voters with tougher immigration border controls???

Nailed it right on the head. No one really cares about this issue. It's a far left conspiracy to get new liberal voters. 10/10. Would read again.

lol most of the left-leaning blogs/forums i encountered have a sh**t face eating grin about "ha!! republicans want to deport illegal immigrants!!! This means republicans = racist!!!

&  lets use the issue to drum up the hispanic vote!!!" and etc.

They are a minority. Most progressives and liberals have no ulterior motives in their position on the issue.

lol.


Also lets imagine that in the voting booth. After voting for their candidates, voters are given an option on whether they think Illegal immigrants should be given amnesty. The Yes option also contains a provision that those who checked the Yes will have to house, feed any illegal immigrants in their own home.

How many progressives will support amnesty after being asked that?

Why would they have to house and feed illegal immigrants in their own home?

Because that's definitely how the real world works.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A look at Congressional Records:

A+ (18% of peer group)
Schmidt, Jean (Rep. - 2nd) R - OH 100%
Applegate, Doug (Rep. - th) D - OH 97%
Kasich, John (Rep. - 12th) R - OH 97%
Lukens, Donald (Rep. - 8th) D - OH 97%
Wylie, Chalmers (Rep. - 15th) R - OH 97%
Hoke, Martin (Rep. - 10th) R - OH 96%
Traficant, James (Rep. - th) D - OH 96%


B- (7% of peer group)
Santorum, Rick (Sen.) R - PA 69%
Hart, Melissa (Rep. - 4th) R - PA 67%
Sherwood, Donald (Rep. - 10th) R - PA 67%


A- (18% of peer group)
Alexander, Rodney (Sen.) R - LA 89%
Tauzin, W.J. (Rep. - 3rd) R - LA 89%
McCrery, Jim (Rep. - 4th) R - LA 87%
Jindal, Bobby (Rep. - 1st) R - LA 86%

A lot of these scores are impacted by the blank spots and by the number of issues graded on. No one doubts where JD Hayworth stood on this issue and yet he had a rather low C rating as I recall.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Oh look, another issue where Mike Huckabee isn't socially conservative! Maybe that myth will go away sometime soon, but we all know it won't because he's Christian and Overtly Christian=Far Right Loon.

Lumping him and Santorum is as lazy as lumping Gully and Oakvale constantly.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Sanders is probably the one most concerned about H-1B visa abuses.  Of course that's not an immigrant visa.

[CountryClassSF]

Sanders is probably the one most concerned about H-1B visa abuses. 

That's very interesting. No one's talking about this but it's a big concern. I have never heard him talk about it?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Sanders is probably the one most concerned about H-1B visa abuses. 

That's very interesting. No one's talking about this but it's a big concern. I have never heard him talk about it?

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2916827/it-outsourcing/bernie-sanders-h-1b-skeptic.html

[CountryClassSF]

Thanks. Good on him! It's destroying American jobs in Silicon Valley.

[JonathanSwift]

Updated:

A: Rick Santorum

B-: Scott Walker

C+: Donald Trump

C: Ted Cruz, Rick Perry

C-: Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich

D+: Jeb Bush, Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Jim Webb

D-: Martin O'Malley, Marco Rubio

F: Lincoln Chafee, Hillary Clinton, Lindsey Graham

F-: Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren

[Maxwell]

How does Rand Paul get the same grade as Jeb Bush?

[JonathanSwift]

How does Rand Paul get the same grade as Jeb Bush?

If it makes you feel any better, Paul has an A- as far as his actual voting record in Congress:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/9922/reportcard/CAREER/

The main strikes against him as far as the Presidential grade goes appear to be his libertarian opposition to certain aspects of E-Verify and his stated support for greatly increasing legal immigration. Jeb Bush, by contrast, apparently does support E-Verify and has stated a desire to end chain migration and the visa lottery.

Basically, campaign promises/rhetoric are a large part of the Presidential grade.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Everify is heavily weighted and despite the full range of issues, NumbersUSA harps on it above all others and therefore taking a weak position on it, could easily get someone who wants to rival Byzantium's walls rated with people who say "Come on in".

I said before, they aren't perfect with their scoring. Hayworth and even Tancredo had some surprisingly low scores.

[Publius]

That Bush grade is the number one thing to watch in the primary.  Can a D+ on immigration possibly win the Republican nomination? Even with my extensive experience with D+s, it's hard to say.  MAYBE it can be negated by his money, but if he ultimately calculates the need to move toward the pack on the issue to win the nomination, he might shoot himself in the foot for ClintonBushageddon.  Making inroads with the Latino vote is his way to reverse the 2012 result.  He's counting on the GOP realizing that so it nominates him, but the issue is also the other candidates' way to pull off the upset.

Tasty tasty.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Can a D+ on immigration possibly win the Republican nomination?

Nah. As his brother said - C students, you too can become President, D's....Did you see how bad my term was? America won't elect someone worse than that.

[JonathanSwift]

Fiorina has been upgraded to a C-.

A: Rick Santorum

B-: Scott Walker

C+: Donald Trump

C: Ted Cruz, Rick Perry

C-: Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich

D+: Jeb Bush, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Jim Webb

D-: Martin O'Malley, Marco Rubio

F: Lincoln Chafee, Hillary Clinton, Lindsey Graham

F-: Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren

[dudeabides]

The folks at NumbersUSA have to recongnize reality, which is;

1) We are not going to send home 11 million people, it is fiscally irresponsible and logistically impossible
2) One study found that for every 1,000 immigrants (legal) who moved into a U.S. country, 40 jobs were saved or created, home values increased slightly, and immigrants are twice as likely to start a business than native born citizens
3) Our current immigration system is broken not because LEGAL immigrants only come here to take jobs away from Americans, but because the vast majority of legal immigrants come here to unite with family, not for economic purposes
4) If we saw sustained economic growth where we are creating millions of full-time jobs, there will be plenty of jobs for both native born Americans AND legal immigrants
5) Not having a temporary worker program would negatively affect agriculture, some aspects of the service industry, and seasonal businesses

I urge my fellow conservatives to back a pathway to legal status, a temporary worker program, and enforcement of our immigration laws not through deportations, but through employment verification. Additionally, I urge my fellow conservatives to support having the majority of legal immigration be about economic-driven immigrants, not family unification.

[Famous Mortimer]

2) One study found that for every 1,000 immigrants (legal) who moved into a U.S. country, 40 jobs were saved or created, home values increased slightly, and immigrants are twice as likely to start a business than native born citizens

They start subsistence level businesses which mostly employ other immigrants. It's basically like saying "but if we don't allow lots of Chinese immigration, who will employ Chinese immigrants?"