Opinion of TNF

[courts]

he seemed in danger of going full sjw for awhile but he's admittedly realized the error of his ways and corrected course. thankfully

[Antonio the Sixth]

Something that really, really pisses me off a great deal about TNF is his tendency to never follow through on an argument with other posters. Typically, my interactions with him would go something like that:
- He post a hyperbole-filled one-liner
- I shortly express my disagreement toward what he just posted
- He replies with an articulate effortpost defending and elaborating on his previous post
- I reply with an effortpost of my own seeking to debunk his argument
- He never replies to that post

This has happened at least a dozen of times already, and, honestly, it's the only thing that prevents me to consider him fully a good poster. I feel like he is very interested in showing off and proving us that yes, he can provide an articulate justification for his views, but isn't really interested in actually arguing with other people. I don't know if this is because he feels that his time is too precious to waste with us unenlightened capitalists, or because he is secretly insecure about the quality of his own arguments and fears that they might be completely debunked if subjected to close scrutiny.

Either way, that's a huge character flaw.

[TNF]

Something that really, really pisses me off a great deal about TNF is his tendency to never follow through on an argument with other posters. Typically, my interactions with him would go something like that:
- He post a hyperbole-filled one-liner
- I shortly express my disagreement toward what he just posted
- He replies with an articulate effortpost defending and elaborating on his previous post
- I reply with an effortpost of my own seeking to debunk his argument
- He never replies to that post

This has happened at least a dozen of times already, and, honestly, it's the only thing that prevents me to consider him fully a good poster. I feel like he is very interested in showing off and proving us that yes, he can provide an articulate justification for his views, but isn't really interested in actually arguing with other people. I don't know if this is because he feels that his time is too precious to waste with us unenlightened capitalists, or because he is secretly insecure about the quality of his own arguments and fears that they might be completely debunked if subjected to close scrutiny.

Either way, that's a huge character flaw.

9/10 there's no point in continuing an argument with you because no matter what I say you're never going to budge from your position. Hence, I typically don't find it worth the time or effort to try. That plus I don't as a general rule spend all day on Atlas or frantically check every thread I've posted in every time I log into the forum, because you know, I have better things to do that spend my time handwringing over arguments on the Internet

If you think that disqualifies me from being a "good poster" that's cool or whatever. I don't really care.

[Antonio the Sixth]

9/10 there's no point in continuing an argument with you because no matter what I say you're never going to budge from your position.

You realize I could say the exact same thing about you, right?

At least I am willing to listen to your arguments.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Complaining about a fellow poster won't help you get a girl, Tony.

[TNF]

9/10 there's no point in continuing an argument with you because no matter what I say you're never going to budge from your position.

You realize I could say the exact same thing about you, right?

At least I am willing to listen to your arguments.

I don't have a problem with being called dogmatic or ideologically rigid by a social democrat, given that the original sin of that ideology is having an utter lack of principle from day one.

I don't think that a willingness to engage with every argument that comes your way is necessarily a good thing, either. You have to be willing to ignore some and focus on bigger fish, which is why I don't really ever argue with conservatives. If I did, I'd be posting 5 or 6 paragraphs in every other thread every time a conservative made an incredibly stupid post about Obama or the Democrats being some group of left-wing sleeper agents.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't think that a willingness to engage with every argument that comes your way is necessarily a good thing, either. You have to be willing to ignore some and focus on bigger fish, which is why I don't really ever argue with conservatives. If I did, I'd be posting 5 or 6 paragraphs in every other thread every time a conservative made an incredibly stupid post about Obama or the Democrats being some group of left-wing sleeper agents.

The issue isn't that you don't always engage with every argument. It's that when you do so, you post only once and then completely ignore what the other poster might have to answer. That's completely different. I don't waste time arguing with mindless hacks either, but when I take the time to start an argument with another poster, I do so because I think that poster is reasonably intelligent and it might be worthwhile to share our perspective on that issue. I don't post a rebuttal just to show everyone how good I am at writing effortposts and then leave it there.

[TNF]

I don't think that a willingness to engage with every argument that comes your way is necessarily a good thing, either. You have to be willing to ignore some and focus on bigger fish, which is why I don't really ever argue with conservatives. If I did, I'd be posting 5 or 6 paragraphs in every other thread every time a conservative made an incredibly stupid post about Obama or the Democrats being some group of left-wing sleeper agents.

The issue isn't that you don't always engage with every argument. It's that when you do so, you post only once and then completely ignore what the other poster might have to answer. That's completely different. I don't waste time arguing with mindless hacks either, but when I take the time to start an argument with another poster, I do so because I think that poster is reasonably intelligent and it might be worthwhile to share our perspective on that issue. I don't post a rebuttal just to show everyone how good I am at writing effortposts and then leave it there.

See my above posts.

I apologize if I've injured your pride by not responding to the walls of text you write in response to something I've posted and then forgotten about. I'll try and make more of an effort to systematically tear them apart in the future, if it makes you feel any better.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If you are so certain that you posses the absolute truth and anyone who disagree with you is a hopeless moron who only wastes your time, you could stop posting on this forum altogether. I don't really see the point of doing what you do unless you just want to show off how smart you are.

[TNF]

If you are so certain that you posses the absolute truth and anyone who disagree with you is a hopeless moron who only wastes your time, you could stop posting on this forum altogether. I don't really see the point of doing what you do unless you just want to show off how smart you are.

Looks like a touched a nerve with that lost post!

[Antonio the Sixth]

If you are so certain that you posses the absolute truth and anyone who disagree with you is a hopeless moron who only wastes your time, you could stop posting on this forum altogether. I don't really see the point of doing what you do unless you just want to show off how smart you are.

Looks like a touched a nerve with that lost post!

Yes, you caught me. I guess there is no point in hiding it anymore: I have a strong dislike for arrogant assholes. Congrats for figuring that out.

[TNF]

If you are so certain that you posses the absolute truth and anyone who disagree with you is a hopeless moron who only wastes your time, you could stop posting on this forum altogether. I don't really see the point of doing what you do unless you just want to show off how smart you are.

Looks like a touched a nerve with that lost post!

Yes, you caught me. I guess there is no point in hiding it anymore: I have a strong dislike for arrogant assholes. Congrats for figuring that out.

Boy is the pot calling the kettle black on this one!

[Antonio the Sixth]

Ah yes, the dreaded "no, you!" rebuttal. Now I understand why you don't follow through on arguments, if this is your endgame.

[RINO Tom]

Seems incredibly smart and well-intentioned.  Would probably want to murder my family in some type of revolution, not caring that they give a lot to charity and strongly believe that to be more beneficial to the poor and needy than a communist or even socialist system of redistribution, but as long as TNF is an anonymous internet poster and fellow Illinoisan, I like him.

[Ebowed]

Seems really unpleasant.  I first encountered him through IRC and thought he was fairly interesting, and we shared some similarities in our working background, but his persona on the forum is so abrasive, and the schtick where he represents the common man and nobody else on this rich kids' online shelter could even come close to understanding what it's like to experience chronic time pressure is far from endearing.

I work my ass off and I can assure you that I don't "hate" political correctness.  No, despite my low wages and deeply questionable financial security, I and the people I associate with don't target more marginalized groups.  I thought this was common sense.  It just goes to show that even the most strident "true" leftist can be just as guilty of the politics of exclusion as anyone else.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

ITT: liberal butthurt


Also I don't ever remember him advocating genocide.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Horrible politics, praiseworthy intentions.