Russia: Opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead

[All Along The Watchtower]

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[NewYorkExpress]

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Putin must feel really secure if he's ordering opponents shot in broad daylight...

[Famous Mortimer]

Putin did it.

[NewYorkExpress]

Putin did it.

Well, not in person but yes.

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Putin must feel really secure if he's ordering opponents shot in broad daylight...

It was after dark. And no, he is not at all secure, that IS the point. Otherwise,... I do not have words.

Expect massive purges. Opposition will be accused of doing this to discredit the regime (they have already started). This may be 1934 all over again. God save us all.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Well this is alarming news.

[ag]

Well this is alarming news.

It is alarming for you. I have family there.

[© tweed]

Putin did it.

Well, not in person but yes.

we still don't know if Stalin killed Kirov -- he'd probably be found not guilty in a court of law -- so I'd chill on the utter certainty with zero evidence shtick.

[ag]

Putin did it.

Well, not in person but yes.

we still don't know if Stalin killed Kirov -- he'd probably be found not guilty in a court of law -- so I'd chill on the utter certainty with zero evidence shtick.

I guess, an obvious observation is that "not enough evidence to convict in the court of law" does not quite naturally apply to those who control the evidence gathering apparatus. But, in any case, even if Stalin never gave any orders to kill Kirov (ok, let me suspend the disbelief), there is more than enough evidence that he used that murder to kill innumerable others.

[© tweed]

Putin did it.

Well, not in person but yes.

we still don't know if Stalin killed Kirov -- he'd probably be found not guilty in a court of law -- so I'd chill on the utter certainty with zero evidence shtick.

I guess, an obvious observation is that "not enough evidence to convict in the court of law" does not quite naturally apply to those who control the evidence gathering apparatus. But, in any case, even if Stalin never gave any orders to kill Kirov (ok, let me suspend the disbelief), there is more than enough evidence that he used that murder to kill innumerable others.

no doubt on the emphasis added, and that's why I assume you compared the situation to 1934, which we'll have to see.

[© tweed]

to add, if Stalin did not have foreknowledge of the Kirov murder, that explains the Purge just as well as otherwise. 

[ag]

to add, if Stalin did not have foreknowledge of the Kirov murder, that explains the Purge just as well as otherwise. 

You do not need any explanation for the purge beyond Stalin wanting a purge, so in that narrow sense you are correct.

[© tweed]

to add, if Stalin did not have foreknowledge of the Kirov murder, that explains the Purge just as well as otherwise. 

You do not need any explanation for the purge beyond Stalin wanting a purge, so in that narrow sense you are correct.

from what we know about Stalin, ie what would be regarded today as his clincal paranoia, if someone was willing and able to knock out a pol as prominent  as Kirov w/o Stalin's order, it would have been likely to make Joe lose his head.

[BaconBacon96]

What a ridiculous country.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Clearly this is a Ukrainian plot.

[ag]

to add, if Stalin did not have foreknowledge of the Kirov murder, that explains the Purge just as well as otherwise. 

You do not need any explanation for the purge beyond Stalin wanting a purge, so in that narrow sense you are correct.

from what we know about Stalin, ie what would be regarded today as his clincal paranoia, if someone was willing and able to knock out a pol as prominent  as Kirov w/o Stalin's order, it would have been likely to make Joe lose his head.

There is no sign whatsoever he lost his head.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well this is alarming news.

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Not exactly the first enemy of Putin's to get murdered.

[Famous Mortimer]

Not exactly the first enemy of Putin's to get murdered.

Probably the highest profile one. The former leader of a mid sized political party. This is a new level of boldness.

[ag]

Not exactly the first enemy of Putin's to get murdered.

Probably the highest profile one. The former leader of a mid sized political party. This is a new level of boldness.

The former elected governor of onevof the largest provinces and former deputy PM, at one point widely perceived as Yeltsin's chosen successor.

[politicus]

Not exactly the first enemy of Putin's to get murdered.

Probably the highest profile one. The former leader of a mid sized political party. This is a new level of boldness.

The former elected governor of onevof the largest provinces and former deputy PM, at one point widely perceived as Yeltsin's chosen successor.

"Still, I cannot help but wonder now what my country would have been like had Yeltsin made a different choice back in 1999.
 Under President Boris Nemtsov, Russia could have been a country where I could have kept living and working. With his death, that unrealized future has died, too."

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-28/the-russia-that-died-with-boris-nemtsov

[Famous Mortimer]

I mean, Boris Nemtsov was a horrible neo-liberal and he would have ended up losing re-election to God knows who, possibly even Putin.

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Putin must feel really secure if he's ordering opponents shot in broad daylight...

It was after dark. And no, he is not at all secure, that IS the point. Otherwise,... I do not have words.

Expect massive purges. Opposition will be accused of doing this to discredit the regime (they have already started). This may be 1934 all over again. God save us all.

How would this be possible? But also:

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[CH86]

Putin has ordered an full investigation which is ironic since he is the one who probably ordered Nemtsov's murder.

[NewYorkExpress]

Putin has ordered an full investigation which is ironic since he is the one who probably ordered Nemtsov's murder.

Cover-up is probably a better term to use than investigation.