Opinion of China (PRC)

[TDAS04]

Japan: 84.2% Approval
South Korea: 87.1% Approval

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Obviously HC.

[ElectionsGuy]

Obviously HC.

[TNF]

Extremely flawed Freedom Country from its founding until the 1970s, Horrible Country since.

[Sol]

Extremely flawed Freedom Country from its founding until the 1970s, Horrible Country since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

[H. Ross Peron]

I like its culture and most of its people are probably decent but voted HC due to its authoritarian and bloody government.

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

Extremely flawed Freedom Country from its founding until the 1970s, Horrible Country since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Those intellectuals and dissidents were obviously tools of the capitalists who got what they deserved.

jesus christ TNF

[politicus]

I like its culture and most of its people are probably decent but voted HC due to its authoritarian and bloody government.

Me too.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

How can people vote HP for a country with such a long and fascinating history and culture?

[Beet]

HC on the basis of the oppressive government.

[ElectionsGuy]

Obviously HC.

To be clear, I'm talking about the state, not the people.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

How can people vote HP for a country with such a long and fascinating history and culture?

By that count, no country on Earth can be labeled HP (which is also a valid proposition)

[IceSpear]

How can people vote HP for a country with such a long and fascinating history and culture?

Wouldn't you vote HC on America?

[Marnetmar]

HP governmentally, FF culturally.

[TNF]

Extremely flawed Freedom Country from its founding until the 1970s, Horrible Country since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Hence "extremely flawed"

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

How can people vote HP for a country with such a long and fascinating history and culture?

This is about the People's Republic of China, the government that rules over the country.  I'm thankful for China's many contributions to the world, but their current government, from it's inception to the present, is an entirely different matter.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

How can people vote HP for a country with such a long and fascinating history and culture?

Wouldn't you vote HC on America?

No. I like America.

[Citizen Hats]

Extremely flawed Freedom Country from its founding until the 1970s, Horrible Country since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Hence "extremely flawed"

Yes, the one in which tens of millions of people starved to death because the all-great leader decided they should turn their tools into pig-iron.  Much Freedom Fighting

[TNF]

Extremely flawed Freedom Country from its founding until the 1970s, Horrible Country since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Hence "extremely flawed"

Yes, the one in which tens of millions of people starved to death because the all-great leader decided they should turn their tools into pig-iron.  Much Freedom Fighting

I can almost guarantee you that millions of more people died in the process of the transition to capitalism. I am not denying that what happened under Mao was, in a lot of cases, disgusting and brutal. What I am voting 'Extremely Flawed Freedom Country' for is that the People's Republic of China, unlike pretty much every Western democracy at the time and even today, provided a basic standard of living for all its people, including access to medical care, education, employment, housing, and so on. No Western capitalist nation has ever come close to doing so, because quite frankly none of them have any desire to do so because that would throw the spanner in the works of their economic system, which has of course killed more human beings than any previous mode of production, given its propensity to create world wars, racial pogroms, starvation on a mass scale, etc.

Also let's not forget that the PRC was a strong backer of anti-colonial movements and was committed to anti-racism in its early period, unlike the nation that denied blacks the right to vote until 1965 and supported white-settler regimes like South Africa until the 1980s. The PRC was never perfect and has a deformation at its very birth by way of the fact that the revolution was led by a peasant movement headed by the thoroughly authoritarian Mao Tse-Tung, but that doesn't mean that it didn't achieve some real victories on behalf of the Chinese people and help play an important role in smashing colonialism, racism, and capitalist oppression in Asia and in Africa.

The PRC today is, of course, just another run-of-the-mill capitalist oligarchy, albeit one in which the ruling class cloaks itself with communist imagery and terminology. The counterrevolution in China has transformed it into an imperialist state with interests in seizing control of markets in Asia, Africa, and elsewhere. I do not think that anything short of a political revolution, led by the working class and that places the working class in power, will be able to free China and once and for all eliminate the deformations inherent to the regime from its birth.

[bedstuy]

Extremely flawed Freedom Country from its founding until the 1970s, Horrible Country since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Hence "extremely flawed"

Yes, the one in which tens of millions of people starved to death because the all-great leader decided they should turn their tools into pig-iron.  Much Freedom Fighting

I can almost guarantee you that millions of more people died in the process of the transition to capitalism. I am not denying that what happened under Mao was, in a lot of cases, disgusting and brutal. What I am voting 'Extremely Flawed Freedom Country' for is that the People's Republic of China, unlike pretty much every Western democracy at the time and even today, provided a basic standard of living for all its people, including access to medical care, education, employment, housing, and so on. No Western capitalist nation has ever come close to doing so, because quite frankly none of them have any desire to do so because that would throw the spanner in the works of their economic system, which has of course killed more human beings than any previous mode of production, given its propensity to create world wars, racial pogroms, starvation on a mass scale, etc.

Also let's not forget that the PRC was a strong backer of anti-colonial movements and was committed to anti-racism in its early period, unlike the nation that denied blacks the right to vote until 1965 and supported white-settler regimes like South Africa until the 1980s. The PRC was never perfect and has a deformation at its very birth by way of the fact that the revolution was led by a peasant movement headed by the thoroughly authoritarian Mao Tse-Tung, but that doesn't mean that it didn't achieve some real victories on behalf of the Chinese people and help play an important role in smashing colonialism, racism, and capitalist oppression in Asia and in Africa.

The PRC today is, of course, just another run-of-the-mill capitalist oligarchy, albeit one in which the ruling class cloaks itself with communist imagery and terminology. The counterrevolution in China has transformed it into an imperialist state with interests in seizing control of markets in Asia, Africa, and elsewhere. I do not think that anything short of a political revolution, led by the working class and that places the working class in power, will be able to free China and once and for all eliminate the deformations inherent to the regime from its birth.

If you starve to death because of the cruel stupidity of some communist official, the idea that you the government provided food "in theory" is cold comfort.  Also, in America we call it a wrench.

[Türkisblau]

Extremely flawed Freedom Country from its founding until the 1970s, Horrible Country since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Hence "extremely flawed"

Yes, the one in which tens of millions of people starved to death because the all-great leader decided they should turn their tools into pig-iron.  Much Freedom Fighting

I can almost guarantee you that millions of more people died in the process of the transition to capitalism. I am not denying that what happened under Mao was, in a lot of cases, disgusting and brutal. What I am voting 'Extremely Flawed Freedom Country' for is that the People's Republic of China, unlike pretty much every Western democracy at the time and even today, provided a basic standard of living for all its people, including access to medical care, education, employment, housing, and so on. No Western capitalist nation has ever come close to doing so, because quite frankly none of them have any desire to do so because that would throw the spanner in the works of their economic system, which has of course killed more human beings than any previous mode of production, given its propensity to create world wars, racial pogroms, starvation on a mass scale, etc.

Also let's not forget that the PRC was a strong backer of anti-colonial movements and was committed to anti-racism in its early period, unlike the nation that denied blacks the right to vote until 1965 and supported white-settler regimes like South Africa until the 1980s. The PRC was never perfect and has a deformation at its very birth by way of the fact that the revolution was led by a peasant movement headed by the thoroughly authoritarian Mao Tse-Tung, but that doesn't mean that it didn't achieve some real victories on behalf of the Chinese people and help play an important role in smashing colonialism, racism, and capitalist oppression in Asia and in Africa.

The PRC today is, of course, just another run-of-the-mill capitalist oligarchy, albeit one in which the ruling class cloaks itself with communist imagery and terminology. The counterrevolution in China has transformed it into an imperialist state with interests in seizing control of markets in Asia, Africa, and elsewhere. I do not think that anything short of a political revolution, led by the working class and that places the working class in power, will be able to free China and once and for all eliminate the deformations inherent to the regime from its birth.

This must be one of the most deluded posts on this site I've seen so far. Why Mao? Seriously TNF this is a real low.