MA: The Mideast Migrant Civil Rights Act (Failed)

[Boston Bread]

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Sponsor: New Canadaland

[Boston Bread]

This the law I am attempting to repeal:

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1-3. of the Right to Life Act are transferred to a law with a more relevant name and 4-7. are shot down as they should be.

[Hatman 🍁]

I'd like to propose the following amendments:


3. No Illegal Immigrant shall be deported to his Nation of Origin if that Nation is in a state of Civil War against his or her will.
4. No Illegal Immigrant under the age of 14, who has not committed any crime other than his or her own illegal presence in the Mideast Region, shall be placed in detention for a period of over 24 hours.



OR

We could just pass legislation stating that the "state of being an illegal alien" shall not exist in the region, and that all residents of the region shall be afforded the same rights, and should not be considered to be illegally living in the region according to Mideast law.

[Boston Bread]

I note that this federal law still applies if the Right to Life Act is repealed:
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/It%27s_Not_Up_To_You_Act
Abortion will still be restricted after the 28th week of pregnancy, although it's barely a restriction at all. But the Right to Life Act goes too far for me to not scrap it altogether. If someone wants to introduce a bill that reinstate some abortion restrictions, do so in a bill that pertains specifically to abortion.

As for Hatman's proposals, I support his amendment to 4. on civil liberty grounds but not his amendment to 3. as is. There are situations where deportation is justified, provided the deportees are not risking death upon their return. For example, when the immigrant commits a crime other than illegally immigrating. Abolishing the "state of being an illegal alien" is also a bad idea, there are reasons why immigrants don't get automatic acceptance in the Mideast. Those who pass the process of legal immigration should be distinguished with those who did not. It would conflict with federal immigration laws as well.

[TDAS04]

I support this proposal, but Hatman's amendments would make it go to far.  Certainly, the Mideast and all regions must be able to determine some reasonable legal requirements for residency.  The "state of being an illegal alien" must exist.  Also, there are cases where deportation may be justifiable.

[Hatman 🍁]

Fair enough, what do members of the Assembly think of  the changes in bold?

3. No Illegal Immigrant  who has not committed any crime other than his or her own illegal presence in the Mideast Region shall be deported to his Nation of Origin if that Nation is in a state of Civil War against his or her will.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Why shouldn't we deport illegal immigrants?

[TJ in Oregon]

If this is passed, I intend to publicly protest the measure in accordance with Section 2 §6 of the Mideast Constitution.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Isn't deportation a Federal responsibility? We wouldn't be deporting anyone anyway, and I'm not sure we can stop the Federal Government from doing it.

I support the changes to strike out "under the age of 14," and allow for drivers licenses.  I might  support a name change to the legislation, and some small changes to the language on abortion, but the substance of the Right to Life Act should be preserved both as it relates to the (im)migrant in our midst and to the unborn.

 

[ZuWo]

I am going to butt in for a moment to say I believe that shua has made a valid point. The federal constitution (Article I, V, 5) states that it is the responsibility of the Senate to "establish uniform rules of Naturalization [...] throughout the Republic of Atlasia". Indeed, this appears to be at odds with the idea that the regions can each make their own rules on issues concerning migration in general and deportation in particular.

[Boston Bread]

I approve of Hatman's more moderate amendment and agree with Shua's point regarding deportation.

As the original sponsor of the Act, I amend parts 3 and 4 of it to read:

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The act is now amended as such.

As for the deportation question, the Mideast has attempted to limit deportations since the passage of the Right to Life Act. Its effect, as explained by Hifly when he passed that act, was to stop the involvement of Mideast law enforcement in deportation under those circumstances, and this act clarifies what stance we have had on deportation since that act was passed.

[windjammer]

I note that this federal law still applies if the Right to Life Act is repealed:
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/It%27s_Not_Up_To_You_Act
Abortion will still be restricted after the 28th week of pregnancy, although it's barely a restriction at all. But the Right to Life Act goes too far for me to not scrap it altogether. If someone wants to introduce a bill that reinstate some abortion restrictions, do so in a bill that pertains specifically to abortion.

As for Hatman's proposals, I support his amendment to 4. on civil liberty grounds but not his amendment to 3. as is. There are situations where deportation is justified, provided the deportees are not risking death upon their return. For example, when the immigrant commits a crime other than illegally immigrating. Abolishing the "state of being an illegal alien" is also a bad idea, there are reasons why immigrants don't get automatic acceptance in the Mideast. Those who pass the process of legal immigration should be distinguished with those who did not. It would conflict with federal immigration laws as well.

Sorry for the interruption but this federal legislation will likely be ruled unconstitutional. This is obviously not my role to be an assemblyman so I dont want to influence the debate but this is just for information: if the right to life act is repealed, abortion will likely be zllowed until the end of pregnancy.
Best,
WJ

[Boston Bread]

If nobody has further debate or amendments, I will call a vote on this in a few days. In response to Windjammer, I support some restrictions on 3rd trimester abortion but fusing it with an immigration bill is a bad idea so I won't propose that here.

[TDAS04]

I urge the assembly to pass this.  The Mideast can set an example for Atlasia on the humane and ethical approach towards newcomers. 

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

an amendment:

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[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Why shouldn't we as a region partner with the federal government in the deportation of undocumented or illegal immigrants. Do we really want someone slipping through then committing a terrorist act? We shouldn't combine abortion legislation with legislation concerning illegal or undocumented immigrants. It's best to separate the two subjects into their own bills.

[Boston Bread]

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I agree; this was one of the reasons why I introduced this act.

I oppose Shua's amendment as it currently stands. For the above reason, and because I don't support mandatory ultrasound and the 16th week is somewhat too soon for a ban.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I don't think there is anything wrong with having two subjects within a single bill, as long as we are up front about it and call it a descriptive name. This sort of thing is commonplace to encourage people with different interests to support a bill in common. To be frank, it also means that it is not quite so easy to repeal either the protections of immigrants or the unborn if they are tied together in a single bill. And both of these are human rights issues.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

So why are we taking deportation off the table in sentencing illegals who commit further crimes?

[Boston Bread]

Libertas, the bill allows illegal immigrants who commit further crimes to be deported by Mideast authorities. The bill also doesn't affect the power of the federal government to deport illegal immigrants.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I meant why aren't we considering outright deportment on all illegals (with the exceptions laid out in the Nefarious Act)?

[Boston Bread]

I am calling a vote on Shua's amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[Boston Bread]

Nay

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

AYE

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Aye