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« Reply #850 on: June 14, 2016, 05:14:30 AM »
« edited: June 14, 2016, 10:57:06 AM by Velasco »

No clear winner in tonight's debate. Actually it was a pretty boring spectacle (except when candidates discussed corruption) and far less dynamic than the debate held in December. In that occasion Mariano Rajoy refused to attend and sent Deputy PM Sáez de Santamaría.

"Four-way debate suggests little change to Spain’s post-election landscape" says El País

http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/06/14/inenglish/1465892738_757804.html

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« Reply #851 on: June 14, 2016, 09:13:46 PM »
« Edited: June 15, 2016, 09:58:17 AM by Velasco »

GESOP / El Periódico de Catalunya

PP 28% (113-117 seats), UP 24.9% (86-90), PSOE 21% (80-84), C's 14.9% (38-42), Others 11.2% (22-25)

An estimation made by Kiko Llaneras in El Español (updated on June 14) based on his analysis of published polls says that no block will get a majority and the balance of forces would be very similar to that of the December election. UP and PSOE have a 40% probability of reaching 170 seats; PP and C's have a 29% probability of reaching the same figure.

PP 119 seats, UP 87, PSOE 78, C's 42, Others 24 (ERC 9, CDC 7, EAJ-PNV 5, EH Bildu 2, CC 1)

Link to English version:

http://datos.elespanol.com/elecciones-generales/la-cocina-26j/en/

There is an interesting interview in English language with Llaneras ("The Spanish Nate Silver") in The Spain Report, where he talks about the quality of Spanish pollsters, the design of the Spanish electoral system and other issues.

https://www.thespainreport.com/articles/755-160605132019-unidos-podemos-can-win-seats-in-almost-every-province-says-spain-s-nate-silver-kiko-llaneras

Also in that site, interviews with veteran pollster Jaime Miquel and British writer Paul Mason. Miquel says, among other things, that Barcelona Mayor Ada Colau could be the PM of a pluri-national Spain by 2018. I think he has some points, but some of his theories sound to me lacking of subtlety and a bit extravagant. Mason talks about what really happened with Tsipras and Syriza in Greece, the threat to the Hellenic Republic from Turkey, Russia and the Islamic State and other fascinating affairs. The former economic editor of Channel 4 and author of  Postcapitalism: A Guide To Our Future thinks that the Spanish Left has a chance to do "Syriza 2.0".

https://www.thespainreport.com/articles/745-160529150045-spanish-left-has-a-chance-to-do-syriza-2-0-at-general-election-says-british-writer-paul-mason

Maybe or maybe not. Prestigious journalist Iñaki Gabilondo, who is a reference person for the Spanish socialdemocracy, says in his last video column that PSOE must be obliged to choose between guillotine and electric chair. It's a great dilemma and the party's internal division doesn't help at all.

Susana Díaz and her Andalusian clique have damaged the PSOE. From the day after the December elections Díaz and the 'barons' achieved that the narrative put socialists as losers by attacking Pedro Sánchez. Díaz is a conservative socialist that has appeal amongst the rural population in Andalusia, but she's not a candidate with the skills to fight for the lost young and urban vote, particularly when former Andalusian premiers Manuel Chaves and José Antonio Griñán are under investigation. Pedro Sánchez is neither brilliant nor incompetent as political leader; he tries to survive, but he's surrounded by enemies and some people in his entourage is remarkably mediocre. He would like to be like Renzi, just like Albert Rivera. In Asturias, a region with little demographic weight but of symbolic importance for the workers movement, the relationship between the PSOE and Podemos is particularly bad. The PSOE regional leader Javier Fernández is a moral reference for his party. Before the threat of being passed by Unidos Podemos he claims: "¡No pasarán!" "Remember the words at the gates of Dante's Inferno: Lose all hope. PSOE is not PASOK!"  
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« Reply #852 on: June 15, 2016, 06:24:43 AM »

A Celeste-Tel poll released by eldiario.es this morning predicts that PSOE has chances of winning more parliamentary seats than Unidos Podemos. This pollster is showing the most favourable estimations for the socialists.

PP 29.8% (121-126 seats), UP 24.9% (80-84), PSOE 22% (83-86), C's 13.8% (35-36), Others 9.1% (23-24)*

* ERC 2.4% (8 seats), CDC 1.7% (6-7), EAJ-PNV 1.2% (6), EH Bildu 0.8% (2), CC 0.3% (1)
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« Reply #853 on: June 16, 2016, 08:49:04 AM »

Candidates ignoring effects of Brexit on Spain

http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/06/16/inenglish/1466072086_853835.html?rel=cx_articulo#cxrecs_s

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Actually all the candidates have analysed the possible repercussions, but they have not taken his concerns to the public arena.

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On a side note, IU's stance is that Spain should leave because the European Union is a neoliberal project and is unreformable. The Unidos Podemos platform does not include this and other IU stances on issues like NATO membership and monarchy. The Catalan secessionist movement is mainly Pro-EU, with the exception of the anti-capitalist CUP. However, they are looking at Britain with some excitement because they think Brexit could boost the somewhat stalled and confusing independence "process". Last news say that after the CUP rejected in regional parliament the budget plan submitted by the Puigdemont government, Catalan premier announced he will call a motion of confidence after summer holidays.

Here's an interview with Pablo Iglesias in El País.

http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/06/14/inenglish/1465897947_663542.html

Among other things, Iglesias talks about his role in Podemos (he thinks the party can survive without his charismatic figure), the relationship with PSOE and the new socialdemocratic space that has to be built... and Venezuela. His opinion of Rajoy: "He is a sarcastic guy who performs well at the podium and I think he’s got a lot of experience".

Inexplicably, the English version cuts some questions and replies on the political differences between Iglesias and Errejón, as well one question asking if Podemos has Peronist traits. Iglesias replies: "I would say that yes, Podemos has Peronist traits. Surely the reading that Gramsci makes of Italian Mezzogiorno is something that teaches Ernesto Laclau, intellectual father of Errejón, to comprehend Argentina. And it's necessary to add to this construction the experience of television as producer of common sense. Podemos cannot be explained without the television, but is not only explained by television". At the end, all of us will be Peronists Grin
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« Reply #854 on: June 18, 2016, 10:54:12 AM »
« Edited: June 18, 2016, 12:19:28 PM by Velasco »

Campaign news.

Mariano Rajoy calls to concentrate the "moderate" vote, because if forces are divided "the bad" (Unidos Podemos) will take advantage. C's leader Albert Rivera stated that in neither case he will support a government presided by Rajoy because the acting PM is an obstacle for the regeneration of the institutions (PP is under investigation for illegal funding and Rajoy appears in Bárcenas papers). Rivera's aide and candidate for Barcelona Juan Carlos Girauta extended the veto to Deputy PM Sáez de Santamaría and other close collaborators of Rajoy. Apparently Ciudadanos find more palatable people like the Madrid premier Cristina Cifuentes or the PP's young pup Pablo Casado. In order to prevent that "moderates" go back to PP, the second line of attack is Unidos Podemos. Along these lines, Rivera travelled to Venezuela in the beginning pf the campaign and makes constant calls to "stop populism".

Pablo Iglesias, on his part, stated in a radio interview that he considers Zapatero the best PM since 1977 and calls him occasionally for advice (which is true) in a clear attempt to puzzle socialists. The vindication of the former PM (who Iglesias has criticized for giving way to pressure from the Troika in May 2010) and the claim that Unidos Podemos represents a new form of socialdemocracy have the purpose of attracting more PSOE voters. Both Rivera and Iglesias are pressuring Pedro Sánchez in order that the PSOE candidate says with whom he's going to deal: PP or Unidos Podemos. The latter and El Mundo claim that PSOE "moderates" would be favourable of letting PP govern in case conservatives come first and PSOE is relegated to third place. In that eventuality is very likely that Pedro Sánchez's head will roll, but Mariano Rajoy would have to step down as well to make a deal between PP and PSOE acceptable for the latter.

PSOE is becoming embroiled with Catalonia again. While Pedro Sánchez is proposing a "political agreement" with Catalonia that recognizes its "singularity", Susana Díaz is campaigning in Andalusia claiming that she won't permit that region gets more "privileges" (as well she's attacking Podemos and its Catalan franchise led by Ada Colau). PSOE top candidate in Barcelona Meritxell Batet, who stated that the socialist platform is more close to Unidos Podemos than to C's, is not very happy with Susana Díaz.

Latest results of daily trackings released by El Periódico (GESOP) and eldiario.es (Celeste-Tel)

GESOP

PP 28.3% (114-118 seats), UP 24.2% (84-88), PSOE 21.2% (80-84), C's 15.6% (40-44), Others 10.7% (22-25)

Celeste-Tel

PP 30% (123-128 seats), UP 24.8% (82-87), PSOE 21.5% (83-86), C's 13.4% (32-34), Others 9.4% (22)*

* ERC 2.4% (8 seats), CDC 1.7% (6), EAJ-PNV 1.2% (5), EH Bildu 0.8% (2), CC 0.3% (1)

Another couple of polls

DYM / El Confidencial

PP 29% (116-117), UP 24.9% (85-89), PSOE 21% (81-82), C's 15.2% (40), Others 9.9% (25-27)*

* ERC 9-10, CDC 8, EAJ-PNV 5-6, EH Bildu 2, CC 1

Metroscopia / El País

PP 29% (114), UP 26% (93), PSOE 20.5% (82), C's 14.5% (39), Others 10% (22)
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« Reply #855 on: June 18, 2016, 02:01:55 PM »

The general trend seems to be UP opening a real gap ahead of PSOE, and slowly closing in on PP, while probably ending a bit too short. And C's are in danger of not even getting the 13.9 they got last time, and even if they do it won't matter cause the blocs above are bigger and this means fewer seats for them anyway.
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« Reply #856 on: June 18, 2016, 11:43:36 PM »

PSOE deserves bad results. Ironically, they would be in a much better shape if they lost Andalousia elections a few years ago.

Susana Diez and her ilk are the reason why left-wing parties are in bad shape in Europe. Because of people like her. Honestly, real left-wingers should vote PP in the next Andalousia elections, so she just disappear.
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« Reply #857 on: June 19, 2016, 08:44:30 AM »
« Edited: June 19, 2016, 12:09:25 PM by Velasco »

The general trend seems to be UP opening a real gap ahead of PSOE, and slowly closing in on PP, while probably ending a bit too short. And C's are in danger of not even getting the 13.9 they got last time, and even if they do it won't matter cause the blocs above are bigger and this means fewer seats for them anyway.

Apparently that's the trend in some polls. It's clear that the alliance between Podemos and IU is beneficial for them in terms of parliamentary seats. However, a Netquest poll released two days ago by El Español says that conservatives take a clear lead. PP and C's would have more probability of reaching 170 seats than UP and PSOE (40% to 30%):

PP 30.4% (125), UP 24% (85), PSOE 20.4% (75), C's 15.2% (42), Others 10% (23)

In contrast a Sondaxe poll released yesterday by La Voz de Galicia predicts that the left is on the verge of a majority and C's will perform badly:

PP 29.2% (121), UP 26.1% (90), PSOE 21.4% (85), C's 12.9% (34), Others 10.4% (20)

Today's Sigma Dos poll for El Mundo estimates a virtual tie between the left and the right blocks. Given that this pollster has a slight PP bias, maybe blues won't reach 30%. Caution: there's one week left and unpredictable turns can happen.

PP 30.5% (124-129), UP 24.8% (86-92), PSOE 20% (73-78), C's 14.1% (35-40), Others 10.6% (19.24)

At the end a few thousand votes swinging to one party or block to another in the key provinces will decide the outcome. In fact there is not a single election but 52 different elections (one for every district).

La Vanguardia releases a GAD3 poll for the general election in Catalonia:

En Comú Podem 28.4% (13-14 seats), ERC 15.7% (8-9), PSC-PSOE 15.1% (7-8), C's 13.2% (5-6), CDC 12.1% (6-7), PP 11.8% (5-6)

According to GAD3 75.4% is in favour of a referendum to decide the future of Catalonia. 48% would vote in favour of independence, but only 26% prefers that option to a constitutional reform. More than 65% think that the Catalan and the Spanish governments should engage a negotiation, even if that implies to park the independence demand. 44% of ERC voters and 70% of CDC voters would be in favour of a 'pragmatic' solution that strengthens self-government.
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« Reply #858 on: June 19, 2016, 08:58:43 AM »

PSOE deserves bad results. Ironically, they would be in a much better shape if they lost Andalousia elections a few years ago.

... And PP deserves to dissapear into a black hole. However, if that unlikely event occurs the People's Party should have to be replaced by other thing that represents the same social groups and interests.
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« Reply #859 on: June 19, 2016, 09:23:13 AM »
« Edited: June 22, 2016, 10:29:08 AM by Velasco »



Leading party by province in the December 2015 general election. Circles represent the 52 most populous municipalities of Spain.

El Mundo has an interesting series depicting four municipalities that are strongholds of every one of the main parties. Articles are in Spanish, but every one features nice maps that show party results at municipal level.

Lalín: The PP's "Kilometre Zero". Located in central Galicia (Pontevedra province). PP got 68.46% in 2011 and 52.39% in 2015.

http://www.elmundo.es/espana/2016/06/16/57601f57e5fdea9f618b459e.html

Almonte: The PSOE's haven. Located in Western Andalusia (Huelva province). PSOE got 44.17% in 2011 and 45.65% in 2015.

http://www.elmundo.es/espana/2016/06/15/575fe682268e3e024b8b4647.html

Ripollet: The Pablo Iglesias' 'purple belt'. Located in Metropolitan Barcelona. Former PSC stronghold. Working class. Podemos got 36.15% in 2015. PSC got 35.48% in 2011 and 20.06% in 2015.

http://www.elmundo.es/espana/2016/06/18/576295f0268e3e79748b4646.html

Arroyomolinos: Orange vote on blue background. Located in the Madrid region. Former PP stronghold. Young middle class families. C's got 31.67% in 2015. PP got 55.31% in 2011 and 29.03% in 2015.

http://www.elmundo.es/espana/2016/06/17/57626c7a268e3e7a748b4607.html
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« Reply #860 on: June 19, 2016, 01:35:38 PM »

Why is Rivas-Vaciamadrid a stronghold of the left?
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« Reply #861 on: June 19, 2016, 01:41:25 PM »

Why is Rivas-Vaciamadrid a stronghold of the left?
Well it's the next city on the road after Vallecas, which has always been an organized labor stronghold, and also 3/4 of the city seem to be ecologically protected areas, so I guess it's the kind of mushroom suburb that will attract more bobo affluent eco-freindly families than suburbs like Majadahonda or Pozuelo de Alarcon in the West of the agglomeration.
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« Reply #862 on: June 19, 2016, 02:24:09 PM »

PSOE deserves bad results. Ironically, they would be in a much better shape if they lost Andalousia elections a few years ago.

... And PP deserves to dissapear into a black hole. However, if that unlikely event occurs the People's Party should have to be replaced by other thing that represents the same social groups and interests.

...which is?
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« Reply #863 on: June 19, 2016, 02:36:34 PM »

How long till the PSOE does the honest thing and renames itself the Country Party?
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« Reply #864 on: June 19, 2016, 03:25:00 PM »
« Edited: June 19, 2016, 03:26:45 PM by Nanwe »

Why is Rivas-Vaciamadrid a stronghold of the left?
Well it's the next city on the road after Vallecas, which has always been an organized labor stronghold, and also 3/4 of the city seem to be ecologically protected areas, so I guess it's the kind of mushroom suburb that will attract more bobo affluent eco-freindly families than suburbs like Majadahonda or Pozuelo de Alarcon in the West of the agglomeration.

Not quite. Rivas was largely built by housing cooperatives aligned with CCOO and UGT (Spain's main union, associated to the PCE and the PSOE respectively) in the 1990s and as a result, this has resulted in a very left-wing environment. Obviously the closeness to Madrid, the rise of single-family homes and the dominance of the left in the city means that it has attracted, as you say, bobo-style dwellers.

From what I understand however, it is a rather different kind of left (more ecological, social) than the one you find in the red belt south of Madrid (Getafe, Leganes, Parla, etc.).

How long till the PSOE does the honest thing and renames itself the Country Party?

Never? The PP is the real countryside party (also 65+ and uneducated people), the PSOE is more of a 'Southern (Andalucia+Extremadura) Party', even if it's weak in the Andalucian cities (usually, with the exception of Sevilla and Córdoba, all right-wing)
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« Reply #865 on: June 19, 2016, 07:09:34 PM »

PSOE deserves bad results. Ironically, they would be in a much better shape if they lost Andalousia elections a few years ago.

... And PP deserves to dissapear into a black hole. However, if that unlikely event occurs the People's Party should have to be replaced by other thing that represents the same social groups and interests.

...which is?

PP resists because is the only party that represents certain conservative segments of the population (rich, elderly, people fearful of change that likes order), but is in a bad way because society has present corruption scandals and other affairs. Younger people leaning to the right but wanting change hesitate between C's and PP. Spanish conservatives should better clean and convert their house, because nobody knows if new threats are looming on the horizon (in the form of rightwing populism, for instance).

As for the PSOE, under Susana Díaz they are at risk of becoming in the "Southern Country Party" (a trend that has already begun). That woman does not represent any kind of renewal, IMO. She has grown in a party's culture that believes in the supremacy of the apparatus. However Mrs Díaz is very ambitious and has a remarkable vigour, so she must not be understated. Given its territorial implementation and structure, it's unlikely that PSOE becomes in PASOK... but it would become in a party that complements majorities, instead of a party that leads governments. 
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« Reply #866 on: June 19, 2016, 07:38:24 PM »

Have any trade unions defected from PSOE to podemos?
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« Reply #867 on: June 20, 2016, 10:55:25 AM »

Have any trade unions defected from PSOE to podemos?

No. There was an attempt to create a trade union close to Podemos (Somos), but apparently it has been unsuccessful. The two main trade unions in Spain are Comisiones Obreras (CCOO, Workers' Commissions) and the Unión General de Trabajadores (UGT, General Union of Workers). CCOO was founded in 1962 under the Franco regime and was initially associated with the PCE, but among its founding groups there were progressive catholic associations known generically as "Grassroots Christians". It was always organically independent from the Communist Party, which lost influence in the trade union during the 80s in parallel with its electoral decadence. Currently there is a left wing in CCOO linked to the PCE, which is the main opposition to the trade union leadership. The UGT was founded in 1888 by Pablo Iglesias Posse (not to be confused with the Podemos leader), nine years after the foundation of PSOE. During the first years Iglesias Posse was the leader of both organisations; being an UGT member implied an affiliation to the PSOE and vice versa. However, from my understanding PSOE and UGT never had an organic relationship similar to that between Labour and the British trade unions. Such relationship was rather built under the principles of autonomy and cooperation. During the 80s an increasing confrontation between UGT historical leader Nicolás Redondo and former PM Felipe González reached a climax in the 1988 general strike. Later Cándido Méndez, who replaced Nicolás Redondo, had a much friendlier relationship with Zapatero. In that period it was discussed the possibility of reestablishing certain organic ties.

Anyway the Spanish trade unions have lost much influence, partly due to their own faults (excessive bureaucratization) and partly because of economic processes, the increasing duality of the Spanish labour market and legislation that limits collective bargaining. Trade unions mainly represent workers with permanent contracts and they have failed to address unemployed workers or people with precarious contracts. Keep in mind that much of the Podemos voter base is under 35 and that age group is particularly affected by unemployment and precarious labour conditions.
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« Reply #868 on: June 21, 2016, 04:22:04 AM »
« Edited: June 21, 2016, 06:24:10 AM by Velasco »

Mariano Rajoy is campaigning in Andalusia, where PP aspires to first place and according to polls is contesting a handful of seats with UP by narrow margins. The conservative leader called again to concentrate the "moderate" vote that wants "certainty" and "safety" in order to follow "the path of recovery and job creation" and counter "the coalition of communists and extremists" that this time are running together. Rajoy went as far as to suggest that UP could win the elections in a rally held in Málaga. "I ask C's voters to not waste their ballots", said Mr Rajoy. PP estimates that Ciudadanos has nothing to do in 25 provinces and argues that voting orange in them could help Pablo Iglesias. C's leader Albert Rivera replies from Vigo saying that voting for the old parties is useless. "Don't waste our votes with parties that put high offices first". Rivera proposed a consensus PM that is not one of the four candidates contesting this election. One could say that oranges are proposing a Monti. C's leaders indicate that if they get an additional 2% of the vote they could win 10 or 15 seats at the expense of UP.

Pablo Iglesias asks the left to vote for UP.  Íñigo Errejón considers a success that the strategy of the rest of parties orbits around Podemos. The goal is offering a hand to PSOE and demonstrate that every seat UP gains at the expense of PP in the smaller constituencies is a guarantee for a progressive government. The overwhelmed PSOE tries to prevent being passed by UP. Pedro Sánchez affirms that he won't support Rajoy or Iglesias. Rejecting Rajoy leaves other possibilities open. By rejecting Iglesias he's saying that voting UP is not an incentive for a leftwing agreement. In short: in case the PSOE is passed Iglesias won't be PM; in case PSOE holds the second place Sánchez will demand the UP support.  
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« Reply #869 on: June 21, 2016, 07:35:21 AM »
« Edited: June 21, 2016, 01:26:39 PM by Velasco »

The Andorra Fruit Market has reopened. First data say that the price of Water would be 29 EUR per litre, with a purchase forecast estimated between 116 and 120 units. Grapes are sold for 23.7 EUR per kilo and the purchase forecast oscillates between 83 and 87 units. Strawberries are slightly cheaper (21.5 EUR) and between 82 and 86 units are expected to be purchased. Finally, the price of Oranges is 14.9 EUR per kilo and the purchase forecast is between 38 and 42 units.

Other market analyses estimate that a "realistic" purchase forecast for purple grapes would be around 85 units, but demand would eventually increase to approx 93 units. It would depend on the oscillations in other local markets like Tarragona, Murcia, Castellón, Barcelona, Teruel, Vizcaya, Asturias or Cáceres. Brexit would eventually has some effect in the demand, although others think it will have little impact.

http://www.elmundo.es/blogs/elmundo/moncloa-confidencial/2016/06/21/una-vision-analitica-de-unidos-podemos.html
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« Reply #870 on: June 22, 2016, 02:43:24 AM »
« Edited: June 22, 2016, 05:20:37 AM by Nanwe »

Barely a week before the election:

Fernández Díaz appears in tape recordings conspiring against independentist politicians

  • The Minister of the Interior, Jorge Fernández Díaz, plotted with the directors of the Anti-Fraud Office of Catalonia, Daniel de Alfonso, to find corruption cases that could be used against the entourage of Oriol Junqueras, leader of ERC.
  • According to tape recordging revealed by the newspaper Público, De Alfonso assured the minister that he was lookin for scandals to be used against ERC and to be published by Planeta group's media.
  • They also considered releasing scandals against the consellers of the Govern, such as Felip Puig and Francesc Homs, due to an alleged promotion of two sisters-in-law of the Puig.
  • REACTIONS: | The director of Anti-Fraud: "We did not conspire, at leas not me. I meet with whomever requests it"

The Minister of the Interior, Jorge Fernández Díaz and the Director of the Anti-Fraud Office of Catalonia, Daniel de Alfonso, tried to create scandals affecting independentist parties and officials in the wake of the 9-N participative process. According to tape recordings revealed by the Público journal on Tuesday, the two men plotted looking for corruption cases, real or otherwise, that could involve independentists, like Oriol Junqueras', ERC's leader, father or brother, or the two consellers of Convergència, Felip Puig and Francesc Homs.

In the recordings one can hear the long conservation between Fernández Díaz and De Alfonso, in which the latter explains that he's investigating the family circle of Junqueras, searching for scandals to be published through the group Planeta's media. "We are investigating Esquerra's stuff, but it's very weak. That's the truth, Minister", states the director of Antifrau. According to the conservation, the scheming was centred on the allotments of the tripartite [Catalan] government, alleged land deals by Junqueras' father, or the work promotions of family members of the then-Business conseller, Felip Puig.

The published conversations are explicit and full of details and reveal that the minister's focus was on the pro-independence leaders, leaving aside the potential irregular activities of the PSC-controlled municipal administrations. "Because after all, if we also uncover where the PSC governs with a majority and they have received an allotment, they'll say 'Well, of course, but whom are you accusing, the PSC or Esquerra?' We would lose the focus" De Alfonso explains with regards to the various allotments and concessions charged by the company in which Orial Junqueras' brother worked, for several Catalan municipalities.

De Alfonso even argued that it should be him to leak the scandal, to prevent that the UDEF [White Collar Crime Division of the Police] would "lose face". "When I finish talking to you Minister, I'll tell José Ángel [Fuentes Gago], that you know he trusts me. , if you have something, either you two give it to me, or you give it to me. Don't 'burn' yourselves leaking this to the press, because if the UDEF's name keep appearing, it will be tainted because it seems like an attack ... hell, give it to me and I'll leak, I'll research it myself and we'll give it [to the press]" De Alfonso pointed out.

The chief-inspector José Ángel Fuentes Gago has been Eugenio Pino's right-hand man. Pino's Adjoint Operative Division has hosted a secret group of policemen dedicated to search for political corruption cases of the opposition, both amongst Catalan independentism as well as in Podemos. This secret groups's existence was revealed by eldiario.es last November, when the conversations were taped.

The tape recordings published by Público would expand the degree of the actions of the Minister against pro-independence politicians beyond the National Police and would involve the director o the Anti-Fraud Office. According to the aforementioned journal, the conversations were recorded shorty after the 9-N consulta, around the same time that Jordi Pujol confessed to having had a secret bank account abroad.

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« Reply #871 on: June 22, 2016, 05:21:55 AM »

Podemos willing to not include Catalonia referendum in potential negotiations with PSOE on forming a govt., El Pais reports citing sources from the party it doesn’t identify.
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« Reply #872 on: June 22, 2016, 05:27:07 AM »

Podemos willing to not include Catalonia referendum in potential negotiations with PSOE on forming a govt., El Pais reports citing sources from the party it doesn’t identify.

If they did, it'd be the political demise of that person. For the time being, the referendum is non-negotiable. Everything will be different on Monday though.
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« Reply #873 on: June 22, 2016, 07:00:39 AM »

Podemos willing to not include Catalonia referendum in potential negotiations with PSOE on forming a govt., El Pais reports citing sources from the party it doesn’t identify.

If they did, it'd be the political demise of that person. For the time being, the referendum is non-negotiable. Everything will be different on Monday though.

Pablo Iglesias says the priority is the formation of a progressive government and proposes a parallel negotiation on Catalonia and the referendum. Podemos leader maintains that the best solution is the referendum but states he's open to alternative proposals, although he also says the one of Pedro Sánchez is "anachronistic" and his is very similar to that supported by PSC years ago.

Enric Juliana collects some rumours circulating in Madrid on potential negotiations. The priority of Mariano Rajoy would be to attract the faction of PSOE closest to Felipe González before emerges the "Negrín temptation". Zapatero, PSC in Catalonia and other regional branches (Valencia and Balearic Islands, among others) could be the main champions of a negotiation with the Left. It's not a secret that Zapatero has a fluent communication path with Iglesias apart from Pedro Sánchez, says Juliana. That is perhaps surprising, because Zapatero was said to be a Susana Díaz supporter. In order to save his head, Rajoy would be ready to pick up the telephone in order to start a quick negotiation before the summer heat reaches Madrid. Before the risk of deadlock, the Monti hypothesis takes shape. Timid conjectures emerge on a consensus figure that facilitates an agreement between PP and PSOE, well connected with the European Commission and able to lead a reformist government for a period of two years.
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« Reply #874 on: June 22, 2016, 10:35:14 AM »

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Iñaki Gabilondo sums it up pretty well. Besides a corrupt, Fernández Díaz is worthless Grin

http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/06/22/videos/1466578074_939423.html
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