Opinion of Winston Churchill

[SWE]

Obvious HP is obvious

[Phony Moderate]

An overrated asshole. Good on the foreign policy front, disaster on the domestic front.

[TDAS04]

HP

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

An overrated asshole. Good on the foreign policy front, disaster on the domestic front.

Yeah, not so much even that, unless there was a total war on. And even then, he was only by any stretch of the imagination good in one of the two total wars in which he was involved.

[RogueBeaver]

Mega-FF.

[The Dowager Mod]

FF of the first order.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Massive FF (sane).

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

Asshole who was lucky enough to be in power during WWII. Not buying into THE COMMIES MAN THE COMMIES!! hysteria is cool, I guess, but I don't know if that's true of him before ~1938 (?)

[Goldwater]

Obvious FF is obvious.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

A certifiable HP, who was put in an FF position. Put him with Charles de Gaulle and Eamon de Valera - statesmen who fought against great evil (literally defining them as fighting for freedom), but whose idiosyncrasies made their subsequent political careers and adulation very ... mixed.

With Churchill, it's notable how much of his political career was either wrong-headed or an abysmal failure. The bungled return to the gold standard in the 20's probably places him as one of the worst Chancellors of the 20th century. His disturbing fascination with violence and authoritarianism repeatedly flares up in his career, from his initial love of Mussolini to requesting machine guns be used against striking miners. He never liked democracy very much - I know his trite witticisms on democracy are much quipped nowadays, but he was very cynical of universal suffrage and his role in the abdication crisis is ... sketchy. And of course there are a hundred other issues, from Gallipoli to Dresden, from India to Malaysia; that emphasise his weakness.

I voted HP, but I understand why people might vote FF.

[BaconBacon96]

A very mixed bag, FF on balance.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Asshole who was lucky enough to be in power during WWII. Not buying into THE COMMIES MAN THE COMMIES!! hysteria is cool, I guess, but I don't know if that's true of him before ~1938 (?)

This sthick is getting old. Churchill is a FF, but you shouldn't blindly worship him BECUZ HE BEATS TEH NAZIS!, and I say this as a huge fan of Churchill. Try and have some nuance.

[KCDem]

Terrible even though he resembled me in his youth.

[Wake Me Up When The Hard Border Ends]

Definite FF.

[TNF]

HP

[Rockefeller GOP]

Asshole who was lucky enough to be in power during WWII. Not buying into THE COMMIES MAN THE COMMIES!! hysteria is cool, I guess, but I don't know if that's true of him before ~1938 (?)

No one asked about FDR.

As for Churchill, obviously a FF!

[Bigby]

FF. He was a little bit crazy, but he had a purpose which he served well.

[H. Ross Peron]

Obvious FF is obvious.

[checkers]

HP, for the reasons outlined above. Another thing that bears mentioning is his role in the Bengal Famine.

[politicallefty]

FF. His leadership was absolutely vital during WWII.

[Mr. Smith]

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No one asked about FDR.

As for Churchill, obviously a FF![/quote]

No one asked about FDR because to call the fighter of Tammany Hall, the man of sane Keynesian economics, Social Security, and gave those with polio hope "an asshole who was lucky enough to be in power during WWII" is false.

But perfectly fit for  Churchill based on his disastrous domestic policy, and very very imperialist and sans Nazi-fight destructive foreign policy hat is indirectly responsible for Iran today. Without him, Iran would still be a democracy.

There were lots of good things too,but on the balance HP.

@lefty: Seriously? I recall Stalin's leadership was also necessary but no one in their right mind would defend him as FF.

[Murica!]

A certifiable HP, who was put in an FF position. Put him with Charles de Gaulle and Eamon de Valera - statesmen who fought against great evil (literally defining them as fighting for freedom), but whose idiosyncrasies made their subsequent political careers and adulation very ... mixed.

With Churchill, it's notable how much of his political career was either wrong-headed or an abysmal failure. The bungled return to the gold standard in the 20's probably places him as one of the worst Chancellors of the 20th century. His disturbing fascination with violence and authoritarianism repeatedly flares up in his career, from his initial love of Mussolini to requesting machine guns be used against striking miners. He never liked democracy very much - I know his trite witticisms on democracy are much quipped nowadays, but he was very cynical of universal suffrage and his role in the abdication crisis is ... sketchy. And of course there are a hundred other issues, from Gallipoli to Dresden, from India to Malaysia; that emphasise his weakness.

I voted HP, but I understand why people might vote FF.

This.

[The_Doctor]

Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill is a FF, obv.

[Vosem]

One of the biggest FFs of the twentieth century. Rest in peace, and I hope we are blessed with more like you.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I simply cannot vote HP for obvious reasons.