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Question: Who will receive more votes in South Carolina?
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« on: September 17, 2014, 11:54:40 AM »
« edited: October 28, 2014, 07:06:05 PM by 7 days left »

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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2014, 07:06:00 PM »

Probably both Scott and Dickerson will receive more votes than Graham and Hutto respectively because of Ravenel's candidacy.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2014, 12:14:17 AM »

"Dickerson" is the correct answer:

Joyce Dickerson (DEM)   37.06%   457,435

Brad Hutto (DEM)        36.80%   454,651
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2014, 12:58:44 AM »

Stop bumping all your retarded topics, weirdo

Erm, you did realize that I'm already finished?
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2014, 09:57:14 AM »



The counties where Hutto did better than Dickerson are colored blue.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2014, 03:15:12 PM »
« Edited: November 06, 2014, 03:18:08 PM by True Federalist »

"Dickerson" is the correct answer:

Joyce Dickerson (DEM)   37.06%   457,435

Brad Hutto (DEM)        36.80%   454,651

Wrong!

You've neglected to add in the votes Hutto got on the Working Families line.  South Carolina has electoral fusion and the combined votes Hutto got from both of the parties that endorsed him is what counts.

Victor Kocher (LIB)      2.72%   33,654
Thomas Ravenel (PET)   3.84%   47,413
Brad Hutto (DEM)      36.81%   454,938
Brad Hutto (WFM)      1.95%   24,058

Lindsey Graham (REP)   54.30%   670,992
Write-In (NON)         0.39%   4,771

Add them together and Hutto has 478,996 votes and 38.76% of the vote which is more than Dickerson

Joyce Dickerson (DEM)   37.07%   457,720
Tim Scott (REP)         61.14%   754,937
Jill Bossi (AMR)         1.75%   21,562
Write-In (NON)         0.04%   534

The same problem affects your map.  Add in the WF votes and Hutto also did better than Dickerson in Beaufort, McCormick, Newberry and York counties.

Even in the counties where Dickerson did better than Hutto her margin was razor thin.
Chester 3563 to 3511 (52 votes)
Lancaster 6914 to 6905 (9 votes)
Oconee 3923 to 3896 (27 votes)
Union 3069 to 3039 (30 votes)
Williamsburg 7117 to 7115 (2 votes)

The total margin in all the counties she did better than Hutto in, 120 votes, is more than swamped by the difference in her home county of Richland, which cast 66,089 votes for Hutto compared to only 64,722 votes for her.
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2014, 02:24:11 AM »

That's truly genius of Hutto to run under two different party labels. It helped his chances so much...
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2014, 12:19:50 AM »

That's truly genius of Hutto to run under two different party labels. It helped his chances so much...
It doubled them.  Of course twice zero is still zero.

I suspect most of the people who voted for Hutto on the WF line would have voted for Hutto on the D line if that had been the only option and voted on the WF line to comment that they saw something lacking in the Democratic Party.  Still, it did enable him to pick up a few more votes than he otherwise would have.  The simple fact is that South Carolina is a state that allows electoral fusion, so it does make sense to coopt a minor party label if one can safely do it.  I say safely because if you seek the nomination of multiple parties and lose the nomination of any of them, you're completely off the general election ballot, but since only the major parties have primaries, it usually only affects third parties that try to select a candidate before the primary in hopes of influencing the primary results of a major party.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2014, 06:49:57 AM »

That's truly genius of Hutto to run under two different party labels. It helped his chances so much...
It doubled them.  Of course twice zero is still zero.

I suspect most of the people who voted for Hutto on the WF line would have voted for Hutto on the D line if that had been the only option and voted on the WF line to comment that they saw something lacking in the Democratic Party.  Still, it did enable him to pick up a few more votes than he otherwise would have.  The simple fact is that South Carolina is a state that allows electoral fusion, so it does make sense to coopt a minor party label if one can safely do it.  I say safely because if you seek the nomination of multiple parties and lose the nomination of any of them, you're completely off the general election ballot, but since only the major parties have primaries, it usually only affects third parties that try to select a candidate before the primary in hopes of influencing the primary results of a major party.

But what would have happened if Hutto had a higher combined vote as Graham? Would he have won then under that circumstance?
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2014, 10:31:05 AM »

That's truly genius of Hutto to run under two different party labels. It helped his chances so much...
It doubled them.  Of course twice zero is still zero.

I suspect most of the people who voted for Hutto on the WF line would have voted for Hutto on the D line if that had been the only option and voted on the WF line to comment that they saw something lacking in the Democratic Party.  Still, it did enable him to pick up a few more votes than he otherwise would have.  The simple fact is that South Carolina is a state that allows electoral fusion, so it does make sense to coopt a minor party label if one can safely do it.  I say safely because if you seek the nomination of multiple parties and lose the nomination of any of them, you're completely off the general election ballot, but since only the major parties have primaries, it usually only affects third parties that try to select a candidate before the primary in hopes of influencing the primary results of a major party.

But what would have happened if Hutto had a higher combined vote as Graham? Would he have won then under that circumstance?

Yes.  The breakdown by party is irrelevant.  For that matter, in a really close election, if for some strange reason someone cast write-in votes for either Hutto or Graham, those too would be added to the vote totals for them.  It's just that usually the write-in vote is irrelevant, so no one bothers to tabulate what was written in.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2014, 12:06:12 PM »

Yes.  The breakdown by party is irrelevant.  For that matter, in a really close election, if for some strange reason someone cast write-in votes for either Hutto or Graham, those too would be added to the vote totals for them.  It's just that usually the write-in vote is irrelevant, so no one bothers to tabulate what was written in.

Okay... that's a strange electoral law, but why not...
Under this circumstance I'll revise my allegation: Hutto indeed doubled his chances by running under two different party labels.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2014, 12:47:07 PM »

I wonder what percentage of white Democrats voted for Hutto on the Working Families line. Might've been 20% or so.
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