Opinion of Paleoconservatism

[RR1997]

3 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism


Massive HI. Some of the problems I have with paleoconservatism includes their awful anti-immigration views (many of them are even anti-legal immigration), their terrible anti-multiculturalism views,their backwards "pro-tradition" views, their dreadful anti-globalism views, and their no good dovish foreign policy views.

I am friends with a few paleocons myself, and they are generally good people, but their politics are just awful though IMO.

How about you guys?

[Goldwater]

Basically the opposite combination of conservative and libertarian traits as my own ideology. HI.

[ElectionsGuy]

Freedom Ideology. I will say they are horrible on immigration issues, but on everything else they're pretty good. By the way, Rand Paul is more of a paleoconservative than a libertarian.

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Not a fan.

[SNJ1985]

I'm a paleoconservative myself, so obviously I think it is a massive Freedom Ideology.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Massive HI, especially when it comes to their awful anti-immigration views (many of them are even anti-legal immigration), their terrible anti-multiculturalism views,their backwards "pro-tradition" views, their dreadful anti-globalism views, and their no good dovish foreign policy views.

You can't say "especially", them go on to list almost every trait about them.

My main issues with Paleo-conservatism concern imigration & also the Southern-style reverence for John C. Calhoun. While I would have other disagreements as well, those would be the big ones.

[RR1997]

Fixed my mistake, Cathcon. Thanks for the heads up.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I'm quite the fan of their anti-globalism and traditionalism. However, there's a specific component of paleoconservatism that would be easy to find racist, and that would be their lack of belief in people of different races to assimilate/participate in Western culture due to different traditions. While one might be able to see elements of truth in that observation, overall I don't view it as a good way to look at others.

In terms of their foreign policy, I no longer have a real philosophy governing my own views and as such can't really voice my differences with them.

Calling preference for tradition a "backwards" concept has some dangerous implications. Even progress is itself a tradition, it could be reasoned. To follow Jefferson's rhetoric and toss the whole of the past human experience out the window in favor of God-knows-what is hardly an ideal way to run society. I understand that many associate "tradition" with racism and intolerance, however, tradition covers far more than race relations, and I don't think a paleoconservative would view tradition through that lens alone, nor is it necessary to even factor that in.

Overall, I'm not sure I would mind one of the major parties being a traditionalist, protectionist, isolationist, and conservative party. It'd at least  make things interesting for once.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Edit: You know what, never mind. All I am going to say is that neoconservatism is a dreadful ideology and that Paleoconservatism is the future of the GOP. A whole generation influenced by Ron Paul is rising, and they already have a foothold in the party.

[TDAS04]

Major HI. 

[Horus]

Dreadful, but preferable to neoconservatism.

[BaconBacon96]

Pretty bad.

[Maxwell]

FI, but only narrowly.

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

I radically disagree. Both him and his dad are anarchists at heart regardless what any1 says or what Rand says.

what..............

[Supersonic]

Basically the opposite combination of conservative and libertarian traits as my own ideology. HI.

Basically.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't believe that it exists.

[SPC]

Too often it is used as a euphemism for Christian fundamentalist politics with a side of nationalism. I would have greater respect if it actually described a coherent ideology rather than a Pat Buchanan fan club.

Aside from that, they are much superior than their neoconservative contemporaries ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")

[ElectionsGuy]

Freedom Ideology. I will say they are horrible on immigration issues, but on everything else they're pretty good. By the way, Rand Paul is more of a paleoconservative than a libertarian.

I radically disagree. Both him and his dad are anarchists at heart regardless what any1 says or what Rand says. Their touch with the Austrian school and Rothbard is too big to avoid.


As for the OP, FI

Anarchist? What are you smoking? Rand Paul isn't even for the legalization of marijuana, he's pro-life, and as far as I know isn't for gay marriage either. His dad you can make an argument that he's more purely libertarian, though he's still not anywhere near towards "anarchist" and arguably has paleoconservative roots as well. Whether or not Rand is hiding his libertarianism to appease the republican brand is debatable, saying he's really anarchist isn't.

[TNF]

Anarchism is a left-wing ideology, so obviously no one with an 'R' next to their name is anything close to an anarchist.

[TNF]

Anarcho-capitalism is not anarchism.

[Senator Spiral]

Rather good for some things, but you have to be a Christian fundamentalist to be able to subscribe to the whole package. Also, I've always been amused by the word "paleoconservative," like we're talking about dinosaurs here.

[RI]

Slightly better than libertarianism.

[SWE]

Freedom Ideology. I will say they are horrible on immigration issues, but on everything else they're pretty good. By the way, Rand Paul is more of a paleoconservative than a libertarian.

I radically disagree. Both him and his dad are anarchists at heart regardless what any1 says or what Rand says. Their touch with the Austrian school and Rothbard is too big to avoid.


As for the OP, FI

lol

I can assure you, the Paul's are not on the far left

[Mr. Illini]

Awful.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

As someone who is largely known here as a paleoconservative, much of it is a freedom thinking. Where I differ is many paleos are protectionist in trade policy. I am a firm free trader. I hold to a more liberal immigration policy (so long as you arrive here legally).