Clash of Kings, an ASOIAF Game (The End)

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Renly and Stannis should probably tell us something about what they want to do. It's not very clear right now.

OOC: It's not entirely clear what anyone wants to do. The Targaryens are allied with the Martells, the Tyrells, and the Greyjoys, the Greyjoys are aligned with the Starks, the Targaryens fight the Starks, the Starks fight the Lannisters, the Lannisters fight the Targaryens and Baratheons, nobody has any idea who the Lannisters want to see as King now, the Tyrells used to support the Baratheons but now support the Targaryens, the Greyjoys make off with Lord Tywin's treasury next turn, and nobody has any idea what Lysa Arryn is doing.

Also, the current Targaryen-Greyjoy-Tyrell-Martell axis can field just over 140,000 men if we called all our banners - the Lannisters have aroudn 46,000, while the Starks can call 54,000, the Baratheons have 23,000, and the Arryns have 35,000. #dominating

OOC:

1. As something of an authority in who the Lannisters are fighting, I don't recall ever declaring war on the Targaryens.  I want to avenge my family, Tywin is essentially in LS mode at this point (although hopefully GameTywin is more entertaining than someone who doesn't even speak ).  If the Targaryens will let me have my revenge, why should I fight them?  Renly and Stannis Baratheon aren't going to flay themselves

2. For someone who is motivated by profit, you're making a very odd move indeed.  I'm not really sure why you think all of my money is in the Westerlands, but...

3. I would say that everyone should be weary about allying with the Tyrells at this point.  First they were Renly's ally, then my ally (I know for a fact that they were not plotting against me when I first reached out to them), then aligned with the Stenly Baratheon alliance, and now they are allied with the Targaryens.  They seem to just bounce around to whoever his strongest on paper at any given moment.  Hardly the most dependable allies.  Even the Greyjoys were anti-Stark, then anti-Lannister/pro-Stark, then anti-Lannister/pro-Targaryen, then anti-Tyrell/pro-Targaryen/neutral about the Lannisters, now they're apparently neutral on the Tyrells/pro-Targaryen/anti-Lannister  Unlike the Tyrells though, I guess they have the excuse of only caring about plunder and profit, but still.  I wonder if Daenarys' position (strong as it appears) is quite so dominant as it seems on paper given that she is counting on the support of some allies with a pretty consistent history of double-crossing their allies and/or Houses that they were negotiating with.

[Donerail]

Renly and Stannis should probably tell us something about what they want to do. It's not very clear right now.

OOC: It's not entirely clear what anyone wants to do. The Targaryens are allied with the Martells, the Tyrells, and the Greyjoys, the Greyjoys are aligned with the Starks, the Targaryens fight the Starks, the Starks fight the Lannisters, the Lannisters fight the Targaryens and Baratheons, nobody has any idea who the Lannisters want to see as King now, the Tyrells used to support the Baratheons but now support the Targaryens, the Greyjoys make off with Lord Tywin's treasury next turn, and nobody has any idea what Lysa Arryn is doing.

Also, the current Targaryen-Greyjoy-Tyrell-Martell axis can field just over 140,000 men if we called all our banners - the Lannisters have aroudn 46,000, while the Starks can call 54,000, the Baratheons have 23,000, and the Arryns have 35,000. #dominating

OOC:

1. As something of an authority in who the Lannisters are fighting, I don't recall ever declaring war on the Targaryens.  I want to avenge my family, Tywin is essentially in LS mode at this point (although hopefully GameTywin is more entertaining than someone who doesn't even speak ).  If the Targaryens will let me have my revenge, why should I fight them?  Renly and Stannis Baratheon aren't going to flay themselves

OOC: Fair point. Nobody knows who the Lannisters are backing now that all male heirs of Robert's line are dead besides 'not-Baratheon' - but with the actions of both you and your son the last time the Targaryens came to Westeros it would be surprising to see you as allies.

2. For someone who is motivated by profit, you're making a very odd move indeed.  I'm not really sure why you think all of my money is in the Westerlands, but...

It would be very kind of you to tell us where your gold is.

3. I would say that everyone should be weary about allying with the Tyrells at this point.  First they were Renly's ally, then my ally (I know for a fact that they were not plotting against me when I first reached out to them), then aligned with the Stenly Baratheon alliance, and now they are allied with the Targaryens.  They seem to just bounce around to whoever his strongest on paper at any given moment.  Hardly the most dependable allies.  Even the Greyjoys were anti-Stark, then anti-Lannister/pro-Stark, then anti-Lannister/pro-Targaryen, then anti-Tyrell/pro-Targaryen/neutral about the Lannisters, now they're apparently neutral on the Tyrells/pro-Targaryen/anti-Lannister  Unlike the Tyrells though, I guess they have the excuse of only caring about plunder and profit, but still.  I wonder if Daenarys' position (strong as it appears) is quite so dominant as it seems on paper given that she is counting on the support of some allies with a pretty consistent history of double-crossing their allies and/or Houses that they were negotiating with.

The difference between us and the Tyrells is that the Tyrells have motivations and are fairly adept at playing the game. The Greyjoys I've been playing as more profit-driven than anything. Just don't be a poorly guarded wealthy neighbor. The Starks aren't wealthy (or particularly poorly guarded - I grabbed most of their easy-to-access gold in the beginning stages and they've beefed up their guards since then) and the Tyrells have the only fleet that could rival my own. The Targaryens are neither our neighbor nor anywhere near the wealthiest faction so we have no reason to cross her (and her dragons).

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Renly and Stannis should probably tell us something about what they want to do. It's not very clear right now.

OOC: It's not entirely clear what anyone wants to do. The Targaryens are allied with the Martells, the Tyrells, and the Greyjoys, the Greyjoys are aligned with the Starks, the Targaryens fight the Starks, the Starks fight the Lannisters, the Lannisters fight the Targaryens and Baratheons, nobody has any idea who the Lannisters want to see as King now, the Tyrells used to support the Baratheons but now support the Targaryens, the Greyjoys make off with Lord Tywin's treasury next turn, and nobody has any idea what Lysa Arryn is doing.

Also, the current Targaryen-Greyjoy-Tyrell-Martell axis can field just over 140,000 men if we called all our banners - the Lannisters have aroudn 46,000, while the Starks can call 54,000, the Baratheons have 23,000, and the Arryns have 35,000. #dominating

OOC:

1. As something of an authority in who the Lannisters are fighting, I don't recall ever declaring war on the Targaryens.  I want to avenge my family, Tywin is essentially in LS mode at this point (although hopefully GameTywin is more entertaining than someone who doesn't even speak ).  If the Targaryens will let me have my revenge, why should I fight them?  Renly and Stannis Baratheon aren't going to flay themselves

OOC: Fair point. Nobody knows who the Lannisters are backing now that all male heirs of Robert's line are dead besides 'not-Baratheon' - but with the actions of both you and your son the last time the Targaryens came to Westeros it would be surprising to see you as allies.

2. For someone who is motivated by profit, you're making a very odd move indeed.  I'm not really sure why you think all of my money is in the Westerlands, but...

It would be very kind of you to tell us where your gold is.

3. I would say that everyone should be weary about allying with the Tyrells at this point.  First they were Renly's ally, then my ally (I know for a fact that they were not plotting against me when I first reached out to them), then aligned with the Stenly Baratheon alliance, and now they are allied with the Targaryens.  They seem to just bounce around to whoever his strongest on paper at any given moment.  Hardly the most dependable allies.  Even the Greyjoys were anti-Stark, then anti-Lannister/pro-Stark, then anti-Lannister/pro-Targaryen, then anti-Tyrell/pro-Targaryen/neutral about the Lannisters, now they're apparently neutral on the Tyrells/pro-Targaryen/anti-Lannister  Unlike the Tyrells though, I guess they have the excuse of only caring about plunder and profit, but still.  I wonder if Daenarys' position (strong as it appears) is quite so dominant as it seems on paper given that she is counting on the support of some allies with a pretty consistent history of double-crossing their allies and/or Houses that they were negotiating with.

The difference between us and the Tyrells is that the Tyrells have motivations and are fairly adept at playing the game. The Greyjoys I've been playing as more profit-driven than anything. Just don't be a poorly guarded wealthy neighbor. The Starks aren't wealthy (or particularly poorly guarded - I grabbed most of their easy-to-access gold in the beginning stages and they've beefed up their guards since then) and the Tyrells have the only fleet that could rival my own. The Targaryens are neither our neighbor nor anywhere near the wealthiest faction so we have no reason to cross her (and her dragons).

2. It would be very kind of you to give your entire fleet of ships to House Lannister for us to do with as we please, but that isn't happening either

3. Try it and the Iron Fleet will burn; we fought off the Redwyne fleet and we'll do the same to you

[Donerail]

3. Try it and the Iron Fleet will burn; we fought off the Redwyne fleet and we'll do the same to you

Good thing we have nearly quadruple the assets of the Redwyne fleet

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

3. Try it and the Iron Fleet will burn; we fought off the Redwyne fleet and we'll do the same to you

Good thing we have nearly quadruple the assets of the Redwyne fleet

A Lannister always pays his debts...

[Spamage]

3. Try it and the Iron Fleet will burn; we fought off the Redwyne fleet and we'll do the same to you

Good thing we have nearly quadruple the assets of the Redwyne fleet

A Lannister always pays his debts...

You fought off the Redwyne fleet, but at the expense of the navy you had remaining.

And I can promise you, our intention was always betraying you when you came to us for an alliance. We had to make it appear like we were planning something with you so you wouldn't grow suspicious

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

3. Try it and the Iron Fleet will burn; we fought off the Redwyne fleet and we'll do the same to you

Good thing we have nearly quadruple the assets of the Redwyne fleet

A Lannister always pays his debts...

You fought off the Redwyne fleet, but at the expense of the navy you had remaining.

And I can promise you, our intention was always betraying you when you came to us for an alliance. We had to make it appear like we were planning something with you so you wouldn't grow suspicious

OOC: I don't want to get into PMs in this thread, but I can forward you one that almost directly contradicts that

[Spamage]

3. Try it and the Iron Fleet will burn; we fought off the Redwyne fleet and we'll do the same to you

Good thing we have nearly quadruple the assets of the Redwyne fleet

A Lannister always pays his debts...

You fought off the Redwyne fleet, but at the expense of the navy you had remaining.

And I can promise you, our intention was always betraying you when you came to us for an alliance. We had to make it appear like we were planning something with you so you wouldn't grow suspicious

OOC: I don't want to get into PMs in this thread, but I can forward you one that almost directly contradicts that

Please do... I know what I was thinking all along, I want to see what this PM says

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

3. Try it and the Iron Fleet will burn; we fought off the Redwyne fleet and we'll do the same to you

Good thing we have nearly quadruple the assets of the Redwyne fleet

A Lannister always pays his debts...

You fought off the Redwyne fleet, but at the expense of the navy you had remaining.

And I can promise you, our intention was always betraying you when you came to us for an alliance. We had to make it appear like we were planning something with you so you wouldn't grow suspicious

OOC: I don't want to get into PMs in this thread, but I can forward you one that almost directly contradicts that

Please do... I know what I was thinking all along, I want to see what this PM says

OOC: Done.

[Antonio the Sixth]

OOC: Don't get too much over yourselves, Magnificent Bastards. This war is far from over!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

OOC: Hopefully we get POVs this turn; I rather enjoy those   The Arya one in particular was excellent!

[Lumine]

OOC: Hopefully we get POVs this turn; I rather enjoy those  The Arya one in particular was excellent!

We will have POV's, but I'm having a distinct problem with them... I recieved so many orders to kill people that I'm trying to fit all of those deaths in the narrative, so this might take some time. I mean, if the dice and the context went through a worst case scenario, we would lose four players, xD

[Spamage]

OOC: Hopefully we get POVs this turn; I rather enjoy those  The Arya one in particular was excellent!

We will have POV's, but I'm having a distinct problem with them... I recieved so many orders to kill people that I'm trying to fit all of those deaths in the narrative, so this might take some time. I mean, if the dice and the context went through a worst case scenario, we would lose four players, xD

RIP Westeros.

[Donerail]

OOC: Hopefully we get POVs this turn; I rather enjoy those   The Arya one in particular was excellent!

We will have POV's, but I'm having a distinct problem with them... I recieved so many orders to kill people that I'm trying to fit all of those deaths in the narrative, so this might take some time. I mean, if the dice and the context went through a worst case scenario, we would lose four players, xD

RIP Westeros.

I would suggest the tactic of 'living on an island and sinking your enemy's navy'. I've found it rather helpful in avoiding death so far.

[Spamage]

OOC: Hopefully we get POVs this turn; I rather enjoy those   The Arya one in particular was excellent!

We will have POV's, but I'm having a distinct problem with them... I recieved so many orders to kill people that I'm trying to fit all of those deaths in the narrative, so this might take some time. I mean, if the dice and the context went through a worst case scenario, we would lose four players, xD

RIP Westeros.

I would suggest the tactic of 'living on an island and sinking your enemy's navy'. I've found it rather helpful in avoiding death so far.

We shall see if that works, after all you could be one of the 4 and so could I

[Simfan34]

One imagines the Targaryens would be disinclined to grant the Lannisters any particular charity, for obvious reasons.

[Donerail]

One imagines the Targaryens would be disinclined to grant the Lannisters any particular charity, for obvious reasons.

Either way, you seem likely to live - Tywin wants you alive.

[Spamage]

One imagines the Targaryens would be disinclined to grant the Lannisters any particular charity, for obvious reasons.

Either way, you seem likely to live - Tywin wants you alive.

That's news to me.

[Donerail]

One imagines the Targaryens would be disinclined to grant the Lannisters any particular charity, for obvious reasons.

Either way, you seem likely to live - Tywin wants you alive.

That's news to me.

Well, for the time being - he'd have to capture Renly alive at first if he wants to flay him, burn his house to the ground, legacy of ashes, etc, etc, all the stuff in his letter.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

OOC: Hopefully we get POVs this turn; I rather enjoy those  The Arya one in particular was excellent!

We will have POV's, but I'm having a distinct problem with them... I recieved so many orders to kill people that I'm trying to fit all of those deaths in the narrative, so this might take some time. I mean, if the dice and the context went through a worst case scenario, we would lose four players, xD

OOC: I don't know if this helps, but one possibility might be to give POVs to characters who don't get them in the books.

[Spamage]

OOC: Hopefully we get POVs this turn; I rather enjoy those  The Arya one in particular was excellent!

We will have POV's, but I'm having a distinct problem with them... I recieved so many orders to kill people that I'm trying to fit all of those deaths in the narrative, so this might take some time. I mean, if the dice and the context went through a worst case scenario, we would lose four players, xD

OOC: I don't know if this helps, but one possibility might be to give POVs to characters who don't get them in the books.

I would agree with this. GRRM added POV champters for people as he saw fit in order to display scenes (Areo Hotah, Melisandre, the Greyjoy brothers, etc.)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Can we expect an update by the end of today?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Can we expect an update by the end of today?

I really hope so, although obviously it'll be done when it is done (as GRRM would say )

[Oakvale]

I'm sorry, it's really become clear that I just don't have time to commit to this. Is there anyone else who'd be interested in taking over as Stannis?

[Spamage]

I'm sorry, it's really become clear that I just don't have time to commit to this. Is there anyone else who'd be interested in taking over as Stannis?

Maybe your character will die, and this problem will solve itself