SENATE BILL: Another OSPR Consolidation Amendment (Passed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: NC Yankee

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Shortens final votes to five days, beefs up the language (shortening it in the process), including the redraft process finally, general cosnolidation and of course replacing references to PPT with President of the SEnate as we have been doing for a while now. Let me know if you see any I missed. I will post the current version of this in a minute.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[TNF]

Most of these changes I think are a step in the right direction, with the exception of replacing the PPT with the President of the Senate. We've had issues with the President of the Senate showing up for votes, and I think this might not be the best way to address them.

[Talleyrand]

The President of the Senate still has the right to delegate this responsibilities to the PPT, so I don't think that would be a major issue.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Most of these changes I think are a step in the right direction, with the exception of replacing the PPT with the President of the Senate. We've had issues with the President of the Senate showing up for votes, and I think this might not be the best way to address them.

The constitution already gives the VP primary responsbility for managing the Senate. For years the OSPR was operating in contrary to that and in early 2010, Fritz amended it to put the VP on top with the authority to delegate the authorty to the PPT, which is what we have done since.

However, that just glazed the surface and didn't change all the references over. So in OSPR amendments over the past year or so we have finally begun to complete that transition by replacing references to "PPT" with "Presidnet of the Senate". 

Basicalyl what Talleyrand said.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am going to go ahead adn call uc on this one in the hopes that all issues have been addressed.

IF not, then of course therer will be an objection.

I ask unanimous consent to waive the minimum debate and cloture requirements, Senators have 24 hours to object.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Where is the redraft process in the Constitution? 

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

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I don't believe it makes sense that the mere fact that the first six people to vote are unanimous means the vote change period is cancelled.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Where is the redraft process in the Constitution?  

Clause 4

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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I don't believe it makes sense that the mere fact that the first six people to vote are unanimous means the vote change period is cancelled.

I am afraid, I am going to have judge this amendment as hostile.

The vote change period only is present on veto overrides and final votes anyway. Amendments, nominee confirmation and such forth it is not even present at all. In fact I sense a correlation based on the time length perhaps that the longer the vote, the presence of such occurs.

I see the presence of such as an inducement to vote quickly and be attentative. It has also produced some rather short vote times, sub 24 hours even, which is certainly helpful.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

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I don't believe it makes sense that the mere fact that the first six people to vote are unanimous means the vote change period is cancelled.

I am afraid, I am going to have judge this amendment as hostile.

The vote change period only is present on veto overrides and final votes anyway. Amendments, nominee confirmation and such forth it is not even present at all. In fact I sense a correlation based on the time length perhaps that the longer the vote, the presence of such occurs.

I see the presence of such as an inducement to vote quickly and be attentative. It has also produced some rather short vote times, sub 24 hours even, which is certainly helpful.

If your overriding concern is for fast votes, then you are right. But it strikes me as completely arbitrary that being allowed to change your vote on a final vote would be a good thing in one instance and not be a good thing in another.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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I don't believe it makes sense that the mere fact that the first six people to vote are unanimous means the vote change period is cancelled.

I am afraid, I am going to have judge this amendment as hostile.

The vote change period only is present on veto overrides and final votes anyway. Amendments, nominee confirmation and such forth it is not even present at all. In fact I sense a correlation based on the time length perhaps that the longer the vote, the presence of such occurs.

I see the presence of such as an inducement to vote quickly and be attentative. It has also produced some rather short vote times, sub 24 hours even, which is certainly helpful.

If your overriding concern is for fast votes, then you are right. But it strikes me as completely arbitrary that being allowed to change your vote on a final vote would be a good thing in one instance and not be a good thing in another.

I see your point. It is difficult to do though unless it really is unnamious and people are lagging on the vote or you just happened to be in the right place at the right time. The number of times that has happened is probably like three or four in as many Senates.

I do see your point, though.

[Lumine]

I support the proposed changes, they will certainly help to make the Senate more efficient and we would see a more concrete and useful set of rules for Article 5, specially when dealing with a Presidential veto and with the shortened voting time.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor Feedback: Hostile
Status: A vote is now open on the above amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

AYE

[President Tyrion]

Nay

There's a little typo in there, though. We can fix that after.

[Lumine]

Aye.

[TNF]

Aye

[bore]

Nay

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Aye

Switching my vote to nay

[Goldwater]

AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There's a little typo in there, though. We can fix that after.

I see one or two myself. Which one are you referring to?

[President Tyrion]

There's a little typo in there, though. We can fix that after.

I see one or two myself. Which one are you referring to?

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If there's anything else you'd like to change, if the amendment doesn't pass, we can go ahead and consolidate it.