North Star Polls - Special Senate Election

[Flake]

3 days

[Napoleon]

Didn't spamage declare as a Fed?

[Flake]

Didn't spamage declare as a Fed?

He deleted his announcement iirc

[Napoleon]

Didn't spamage declare as a Fed?

He deleted his announcement iirc

Ok. I'm undecided between Cinci and Adam, mostly just want to see what Adam has planned when he starts his thread. Iknow both would do a good job.

[TNF]

Spamage unsurprisingly quit, as is his usual pattern. I'd vote for AdamGriffin in a heartbeat. The game's most successful GM ever.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

When I consider the nature of this particular enemy, I think it might be best if JCL thought long and hard about sitting this one out and endorsing Cinci. I would likely support JCL in the election on principle, but in a head-to-head race like this one, there's just no way JCL wins. He will need to think realistically about the best action he can take to stop the spread of socialist extremism in this country. I don't think he'd want to be responsible for giving Labor a majority in the senate. I sure hope not. He'll have a niche in the April at-large elections... right now is not his time.

[Adam Griffin]

When I consider the nature of this particular enemy, I think it might be best if JCL thought long and hard about sitting this one out and endorsing Cinci. I would likely support JCL in the election on principle, but in a head-to-head race like this one, there's just no way JCL wins. He will need to think realistically about the best action he can take to stop the spread of socialist extremism in this country. I don't think he'd want to be responsible for giving Labor a majority in the senate. I sure hope not. He'll have a niche in the April at-large elections... right now is not his time.

And just when I was trying to be nice to you

[Talleyrand]

When I consider the nature of this particular enemy, I think it might be best if JCL thought long and hard about sitting this one out and endorsing Cinci. I would likely support JCL in the election on principle, but in a head-to-head race like this one, there's just no way JCL wins. He will need to think realistically about the best action he can take to stop the spread of socialist extremism in this country. I don't think he'd want to be responsible for giving Labor a majority in the senate. I sure hope not. He'll have a niche in the April at-large elections... right now is not his time.

Is this what you guys tell JCL in every senate election?

[Associate Justice PiT]

When I consider the nature of this particular enemy, I think it might be best if JCL thought long and hard about sitting this one out and endorsing Cinci. I would likely support JCL in the election on principle, but in a head-to-head race like this one, there's just no way JCL wins. He will need to think realistically about the best action he can take to stop the spread of socialist extremism in this country. I don't think he'd want to be responsible for giving Labor a majority in the senate. I sure hope not. He'll have a niche in the April at-large elections... right now is not his time.

And just when I was trying to be nice to you

     Well he has a point.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When I consider the nature of this particular enemy, I think it might be best if JCL thought long and hard about sitting this one out and endorsing Cinci. I would likely support JCL in the election on principle, but in a head-to-head race like this one, there's just no way JCL wins. He will need to think realistically about the best action he can take to stop the spread of socialist extremism in this country. I don't think he'd want to be responsible for giving Labor a majority in the senate. I sure hope not. He'll have a niche in the April at-large elections... right now is not his time.

Is this what you guys tell JCL in every senate election?

Weren't you just decrying false sympathy in another thread? And unless you have moved significantly to the right, you just want to crush JCL ideals and values in as brutal a fashion as possible.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Spamage unsurprisingly quit, as is his usual pattern. I'd vote for AdamGriffin in a heartbeat. The game's most successful GM ever.

Which is why I can't vote for Adam. I need him as GM, and even if he were to win, I am exploring how I can usurp the law to have him as GM anywaywhat to do if he wins.

[Talleyrand]

When I consider the nature of this particular enemy, I think it might be best if JCL thought long and hard about sitting this one out and endorsing Cinci. I would likely support JCL in the election on principle, but in a head-to-head race like this one, there's just no way JCL wins. He will need to think realistically about the best action he can take to stop the spread of socialist extremism in this country. I don't think he'd want to be responsible for giving Labor a majority in the senate. I sure hope not. He'll have a niche in the April at-large elections... right now is not his time.

Is this what you guys tell JCL in every senate election?

Weren't you just decrying false sympathy in another thread? And unless you have moved significantly to the right, you just want to crush JCL ideals and values in as brutal a fashion as possible.

I never showed any sympathy to JCL here and I think it's better if he's kept from public office in Atlasia. I was genuinely curious when I posed my question though.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When I consider the nature of this particular enemy, I think it might be best if JCL thought long and hard about sitting this one out and endorsing Cinci. I would likely support JCL in the election on principle, but in a head-to-head race like this one, there's just no way JCL wins. He will need to think realistically about the best action he can take to stop the spread of socialist extremism in this country. I don't think he'd want to be responsible for giving Labor a majority in the senate. I sure hope not. He'll have a niche in the April at-large elections... right now is not his time.

Is this what you guys tell JCL in every senate election?

Weren't you just decrying false sympathy in another thread? And unless you have moved significantly to the right, you just want to crush JCL ideals and values in as brutal a fashion as possible.

I never showed any sympathy to JCL here and I think it's better if he's kept from public office in Atlasia. I was genuinely curious when I posed my question though.

JCL has a right to advance his views in the way he best sees fit, provided it is within the law. This is a game built on voluntary participation nad even though some might find his views alien, it is undoubtedly the case that the presence of diverse views enrich the game. 

Some here lose sight of that fact, yet somehow manage to win a close refernedum on a contentious issue only to then depart for some place "less crazy" anyway after one bad election, who has friends who then come out an whine about the horrors of regional Senate seats being so uncompetative. I wonder why? 

If people would just appreciate having the contentious issues and play to win even when down for the count, this game would be a whole better and more interesting. Every leftist and center left player in the Mideast should value JCL's presence thusly, for he laid the foundation for a house they proceeded to voluntary dismantle of their own accord.

[Хahar 🤔]

"thusly" isn't a real word

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

"thusly" isn't a real word

You don't say.

[Adam Griffin]

Like I've always said (even though no one believes me): JCL could win if the Federalist Party would develop a backbone, craft an actual policy agenda/platform and adhere to it - the latter two of which have never been done and the former has only manifested recently in a mediocre fashion. If you don't define yourselves, someone will always do it for you. If you stand for nothing, then it's very easy for voters to pick someone else. JCL's "radicalism" isn't the biggest issue he faces; rather, it's his party always wanting to throw him under the bus. If they truly wanted him to serve and were worried about competitiveness, then they would have let him grab the Mideast seat.

[Donerail]

Lean Cinci, but whether it's him or Adam at the end will depend on the campaign.

[TNF]

Like I've always said (even though no one believes me): JCL could win if the Federalist Party would develop a backbone, craft an actual policy agenda/platform and adhere to it - the latter two of which have never been done and the former has only manifested recently in a mediocre fashion. If you don't define yourselves, someone will always do it for you. If you stand for nothing, then it's very easy for voters to pick someone else. JCL's "radicalism" isn't the biggest issue he faces; rather, it's his party always wanting to throw him under the bus. If they truly wanted him to serve and were worried about competitiveness, then they would have let him grab the Mideast seat.

Oh yeah, I completely agree with this. If the Federalists showed JCL even a hint of support, he'd probably have a fairly good shot at winning. There's definitely a precedent for rigid ideologues getting elected and staying there, so long as they have the support of their comrades. (See: Me)

[Senator Spiral]

Despite disagreements I'm not afraid to say that I'm firmly behind JCL, and I encourage fellow conservatives and libertarians to come out for him.

[Maxwell]

*breaking the third wall*

Now if there were a laborite with crossover support, I think JCL would have a lot harder time. However, considering it's AG, who I think would have similar problems with the left himself, I think the Federalists need to stand by JCL.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

"thusly" isn't a real word

if you're going to be a filthy prescriptivist, at least get your facts right.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thusly?s=t
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thusly
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/thusly
http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/thusly
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/thusly?q=thusly

[sentinel]

Can I have GM Griffin back?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Can I have GM Griffin back?

Honestly, he was the best GM we've had in my time here.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

*breaking the third wall*

Now if there were a laborite with crossover support, I think JCL would have a lot harder time. However, considering it's AG, who I think would have similar problems with the left himself, I think the Federalists need to stand by JCL.

That's what I'm getting at though. If JCL runs, I am pretty confident we would stand by him. That's kind of the problem: We would but no one else would, and Cinci would get knocked out of the count. Do you think potential Cinci voters like Torie and the PROs would really preference JCL above Griffin? I don't believe it's true, but there's the perception of an intellectual divide between the far right and the far left, and everyone likes to be liked. These people won't vote JCL. Griffin and JCL's views on economics might counterbalance each other, but here in Atlasia, social conservatism, especially of JCL's variety, is often a deal-breaker.

It's easy for Labor to preach from their ivory tower that we should adopt their strategy of radical extremism, but the numbers aren't there. They know it. They know we're in the middle of  an internal rough patch, too, so they'll stoke the fire. I happen to believe it's not going to work, because it only plays into the idea that they're praying JCL stays in the race. It's not an issue of disrespecting JCL; it's an issue of respecting him enough to lay it all out on the line.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Do you think potential Cinci voters like Torie and the PROs would really preference JCL above Griffin?

I certainly wouldn't. I mean, come on, the guy is literally a theocrat.